Pickup Moderation

[Snxpflash]

It doesn't matter whether you intend to add or not

It absolutely should matter. You cannot pin every infraction under the same level of severity. If I ACCIDENTALLY leave between "200 points and Match_Splash" and do NOT !add, its FAR more simple for the mods to just ignore it then to ban me so that i cannot add for the pickup to follow when I caused NO problem for anyone. The rule should be: Early leavers who !add for next pickup will be banned <-- as that is and has only ever been the real issue. I dont see how in the hell you people are considering this to be "more complicated" you're making it sound like Im asking the mods to track down the persons address, find them at their home and schedule a group meeting to determine true intent. oO. But, im just going to drop it. It's apparent the mod's already think they have a 'perfect' system so what good is there to make seemingly positive suggestions. Thank you to all the readers and those who commented. ~cheers.

[Monkey]

Thump, you're not getting it. Several people, including myself, have explained to you why this rule has to apply to everyone but you're either not listening or not understanding.

@ Pickup moderators
I (and I'm sure many other players) greatly appreciate you taking on the task of moderating the Pickup channel and matches. Thankyou.

[takburger]

@ Pickup moderators
I (and I'm sure many other players) greatly appreciate you taking on the task of moderating the Pickup channel and matches. Thankyou.

Sometime ago I was annoyed that the admin were too indulgents on everyone's behavior. Now I'm really happy of their job. Kinda sorry it causes so much debate. Thanks for your job.

[sinewav]

Considering the terrible quality of pickup games I almost think more people should be banned for longer, haha. Not Thump though. The best thing about Thump is that he really doesn't screw around.

On another note, actions have consequences even if they are an accident.

Also, binary systems are far less complicated than ones with many variables. For example, judging a ban:

• Did such-and-such leave the server early? <Yes|No>

As opposed to:

• Did such-and-such leave the server early? <Yes|No>
  How early did they leave? <integer in minutes and seconds>
  Did such-and-such !add for the next pickup? <Yes|No>
  Etcetera...

[Snxpflash]

*Final Thought*

I dont have a problem with the moderators personally. Or how well they are moderating. They are obviously doing a good job, as they are in fact following the rules "To the letter..". And, I DO appreciate them very much. I was just as upset about early leavers (who were also add'ing up) as anyone else and believe the strictness to be merited. I am only asking for a bit of rationality to be added to the equation. And perhaps a few more mods?

[sinewav]

I am only asking for a bit of rationality to be added to the equation.

It's not that the current rules are irrational, they are practical. There is a compromise between effectiveness and simplicity. Sure, we can have more involved criteria, but then we risk rule-bloat and make the work of volunteers harder. Or, we can share the load by following the current rules and try not to get mad when mods get a little overzealous.

sozpin, do you feel like some of your concerns were addressed?

[asdfasdf]

I get the logic, but as everyone has been saying, it's so much easier and more practical to deal with if it's binary. Plus, if you had no intention of adding for the next pickup, and pickups take ≈45 minutes, and your ban lasts an hour, it's not so much of a loss, is it? You most likely can get into the pickup after that, and, since you didn't even want to add for the other pickup in the first place, it's not a huge deal. I mean, I get the intent, but I don't think the ban takes so much of a toll that it warrants making the system much more complicated, as sine was saying.

[Snxpflash]

and pickups take ≈45 minutes, and your ban lasts an hour .... I mean, I get the intent, but I don't think the ban takes so much of a toll that it warrants making the system much more complicated, as sine was saying.

You're right, and I do agree with you for the most part. Except, pickups average anywhere from 18 - 30 min, not 45 (although it feels much longer than that sometimes for sure oO). I planned on !add'ing for the following match, because I wasnt going to be able to play much after that. Also, I think the system is annoyingly simple as it is.. minor adjustments to add a bit more fairness where I and many others see fairness to be lacking seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[delinquent]

Thump, is this not a bit much about nothing? It's been and done, you can play again, and there's no lasting damage. No point in complaining now, imho.