Respect in Tron?

[DrJoeTr0n]

You guys need to keep in mind that these servers do not share the same rules. Thus meaning administrators and moderators can do what ever the hell they want in their servers, they don't have to listen to you. They can kick you for no rhyme or reason at all. You can fight all you want but you have as many rights as the admin will give you. Which in LoD's case, absolutely none.

So I bet you're thinking "THATS SO STUPID! THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING I COULD DO"

The easiest thing to do is not play there, there are many more servers with much nicer and less power hungry admins who would love for you to come and suck their bandwidth up for a while...

Or you can RISE UP! Not take it anymore! and Make your own server, and it's gonna' have black jack! and Hookers!...or whatever you ever wanted so you can run things your own way.

[wrtlprnft]

If they want their server to be full of jerks or empty, it's really their choice.
The problem is that servers like this scare off newbies who might happen to join that server first, and there it begins to become everyone's issue.

I think we should set up some sort of rules for servers that want to be on the masters, after all we're providing a service to them… What do you think?

[Ricochet]

canada: i know i called you an idiot, but thats just the way i am. sorry if it offended you, but thats how i talk. anybody who knows me well enough knows that i'm almost constantly on some kind of insults rampage. but anyway, next time just grind a little harder

rain: i agree. its a shame that their server just seems to be the most popular...

[Ricochet]

and wrtl, seems a good idea, what kind of rules have you got in mind?

[ed]

I think we should set up some sort of rules for servers that want to be on the masters, after all we're providing a service to them… What do you think?

I think that is a great plan. How it would be policed is another matter.
I think the fact that anyone who knows how to (or doesn't properly) use a firewall can start a tron server very easily for all to see is a good thing. It only encourages people to try things out. I'm sure most of the servers online started this way.
Maybe the Master List could be split into 2 lists, those that are known respected (as much they can be) servers, and unknowns - the rest.
Maybe those deemed unsuitable or particuarly rude, can be put on a third list of "Bad Servers" ( Badlands - these may even become popular with some type of players, taking them away from the "Safe Servers") - or the servers could be blocked from the list completely. They could still set up there own custom server for their friends to connect to.
I don't know.

[DrJoeTr0n]

Maybe the Master List could be split into 2 lists, those that are known respected (as much they can be) servers, and unknowns - the rest.
Maybe those deemed unsuitable or particuarly rude, can be put on a third list of "Bad Servers" ( Badlands - these may even become popular with some type of players, taking them away from the "Safe Servers") - or the servers could be blocked from the list completely. They could still set up there own custom server for their friends to connect to.
I don't know.

Better yet! The names should be set up so that it doesn't demean other servers, but definately seperates them. I was thinking that we name them the fallowing. Offical Servers which are known to get positive feedback and fun to play on. Then make the other servers say ones people are just trying experiments with or are very sketchy on the behavior, we Label These the "Independent Servers"

So to sum up.

Official Servers - List of Respected servers known for positive feedback.

Independent Servers - List of Experimental, New, and Servers that are known to be, well, off in their own little world.


If we were to create 2 different server lists. I thikn this might be the best way to go about it.


EDIT: Some spelling and incomplete sentences completed.

[Fonkay]

canada: i know i called you an idiot, but thats just the way i am. sorry if it offended you, but thats how i talk. anybody who knows me well enough knows that i'm almost constantly on some kind of insults rampage.

I love this excuse, it explains so much.

[kyle]

canada: i know i called you an idiot, but thats just the way i am. sorry if it offended you, but thats how i talk. anybody who knows me well enough knows that I'm almost constantly on some kind of insults rampage.

Ya Alex calls everyone what he really is

he calls other people spammers when he is a bigger one and now he calls people idiots when he knows himself he is one


and see i I'm just the one that find so weird way to make jokes on people


anyway what about putting in the same thing pig did with adding "/help" and add "/rules"

[Rain]

I dont agree about make different lists.
To host a server means give a service to the community, but the possibilty of host servers is given by the master and the community.
Nobody can decide which is a good server or bad, somebody can just agrees with the opinions of somebody else, and viceversa.
Make different lists could be taken as a censure.
The fact is that we are talking here about how LoDs are bad, but nobody stops to play in their server.
There is a community, we have to start to commune, as lucifer said.
What about to make some servers administrated by the community?
And Im talking about fortress servers or classic ones (weird ones too.. heh).
Those servers have to be administrated in this forum with polls for change settings and so on.
No ingame admin and only few admins that only have to setup what the community decided.
Sorry, Im going a little off-topic...
I'll continue here: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=9321

[wrtlprnft]

Making two seperate lists will require client updates, unfortunately

The only thing we could do is create a new “unfiltered” master in addition to the existing ones and filter the ones that are already there. That would require you edit a text file and add the unfiltered server manually if you wanted to see the complete list.

I also think every server should be allowed in by default, and only be filtered if there are serious complaints, and then it should be decided by some sort of committee if the server should be blocked, consisting of some respected server admins, and the dev team (that's including the owners of the master servers). Some rules could be as follows:

• The server may not distribute or link to illegal content (illegal being defined by the countries that host the masters, as those are responsible)
• The server should not distribute or link to pornographic content
• The server admins should try to provide a respectful atmosphere to its players, especially to new players, as far as this is possible.

[Rain]

no reason to block a server in my point of view.
developers and "respected server admins" are humans too.
cant we just use the section "servers" in this forum?
if an admin register his server in that section we can see players feedbacks and then put or put off a sort of certificate of the community, that is given only to registrated servers. dont know how or to make it. is it possible to add another column in the list of servers of the master showing that certificate?

[Canada]

canada: i know i called you an idiot, but thats just the way i am. sorry if it offended you, but thats how i talk. anybody who knows me well enough knows that i'm almost constantly on some kind of insults rampage. but anyway, next time just grind a little harder

rain: i agree. its a shame that their server just seems to be the most popular...

im sure if i knew you better i wouldnt have taken it in so much offense, i hate when someone is taking all the blame, chat.bot was in it too, and i probabaly should have taken the team more seriously, i accept your appoligy (sorry bad speller)

[Ricochet]

fonkay: get over it, its the way i am. i have people who are friends with me, i have people who dislike me. its just my personality. ask almost anyone

[Rain]

My personality is to eat children.
Do not hate me for that!
Please

or i'll eat you...

(joking)

[Lucifer]

Here's a real situation I've actually seen back when bugfarm was CVS TEST. The guy spilled a drink on his keyboard, and in order to prevent destroying shit, he unplugged his keyboard. He was playing in full screen mode. So naturally he couldn't quit the game, he couldn't just shut off his computer (technically he could, but he had files open elsewhere he needed to save), and he couldn't plug his keyboard back in until it was clean. He was a bot for 2 hours.

What, it took him 2 hours to find and unplug his network cable ?

THe reason I remember the episode is because it was one of those improbable combinations of circumstances where there really was nothing he could do about it (besides not spilling the drink in the first place). He was on a wireless connection and someone else was using his internet connection so shutting off the router wasn't really an option either. And for those 2 hours there weren't enough people on the server to get up a kick, so it wasn't like we didn't try. When there finally were enough people to kick, we kicked him literally as he was putting the last screw in his keyboard. SO he came back within a couple of minutes and told us all about what happened.

I'm thinking we might be able to do some sort of community-based master server moderation thing. It would be nice if we could tie in a slashdot-moderation system on the forums and use it to distribute mod points to players on the master server. Anyway, whatever the end-user part looks like, it seems like we could have the master server send a score to the client and the client could use that to compute the "score" column, which is already computed based on ping and number of players, and then sorted by default. That would be a worthy change to add to 0.2.8 and at least have in the stable client while we work out how to generate that score.

Then, the way I was thinking I'd like the score generated is through a voting mechanism that exists out of the game. Ideally we'd have it tied heavily to the forums. That would let the community moderate itself.

Also, I'd like to hear more suggestions about how to include servers rather than exclude them. You know, opt-in vs opt-out. I'd rather have people saying "this server's good, that server's great" than "that server sucks, that server's really bad".