Which means the other thread I created was continuing the locked topic...Z-Man wrote:Precicely the topic you were going on with, whether nazis are a race, was the one going in circles that triggered the lock.
This one however, is continuing the latest discussions and post regarding the Armagetron team name itself, which diverged into questioning Lucifer's hypocritical actions and words, and questioning Z-Man's ability to remain unbiased (as well as some other things that are slightly off topic, are relevant but don't pertain to either topics).
So this one shouldn't have any reason to lock. Z-Man set that expectation. Nor is this trying to start a flame way either (to be specific, let Z-Man and Lucifer respond first before you post what might be "flame")
I'd also like to point out that this is not intended to start any flame wars or arguments. This is a serious question. (not an accusation so much as a question; Are they ___?)
This is the latest post regarding that individual topic (the discussion regarding the team name by questioning Lucifer's hypocrisy and Z-Man's ability to remain unbiased; not any sub-topics or other topics) (reference purposes only)
I'd like a response from Z-Man for the following:
(please refer to the linked thread for seemingly irrelevant content - some things come as a response to what was said before)Durf wrote:@Z-Man: The possibility has occurred to me, which is why I'm open to discussion. I'm not stupid enough to intentionally defend the wrong side of a discussion. I am open to learning how I am wrong...about anything.
About the harassment, it was uncalled for: insults, negative stereotyping and propaganda, overall hostility to the act of me posting. Read the posts again and show me this "flak" (check Phytotron's posts); tell me how insults are any form of criticism.
You're suggesting that the harassment isn't harassment because I'm provoking it by posting what I have to say... I hope you know how ridiculous you sounded. I shouldn't be met with insults and attempts to deface just for posting. I can understand a difference of opinion, but insults? I may use more words, but if you check my posts, I am overall less vulgar than a large majority of people on these forums. So no, not once did I ever "provoke" or instigate this harassment. I'm not asking for it, quite the opposite, I've been asking people to stop for a while now. I shouldn't have to ask at all.^ Not entirely sure what to make of that...negative discrimination or treating someone badly because of who they are is just what it is. Whether or not it's because of race, gender, ethnicity or whatever, that treatment is obviously a bad thing. That being said:It's only racism if even after you changed your lifestyle, haircut, moved to a different city, altered your political views, the same group of people still hates you for some thing you cannot change, some thing they somehow still recognize.Yes you can (they are a race of people); though let's pretend they're not, because you'll see how it actually doesn't matter if you're "racist" or not. The treatment is still negative. People are bashing on Nazis just for being who they are. Tell me, is that right? Is that any different than what the Nazis did? (you're not killing anyone for it, but you're still treating them poorly for the reason that they are who they are)You cannot be racist against Nazis.
It doesn't matter whether you think they deserve it or not, that shouldn't matter. What about the fact that nearly every Nazi that participated in the war is dead by now? Does reform or redemption mean anything to you?
Also, I'm surprised the swastika is banned in Germany, but that's also understandable since there is little-to-no Asian cultural influence there. But then what are the laws on the internet? Typically prosecution follows the procedure from the hosting country. I mean, you can't get arrested for a foreign pop-up window displaying the swastika...can you? o.o
I'd like a response from Lucifer for the following:
(please refer to the linked thread for seemingly irrelevant content - some things come as a response to what was said before)Durf wrote:@Lucifer: You may list all the facts you want, biblical references, religious sects...none of it matters (Not really. It does matter, just not in the manner you think it does).
The point being made is that people still interpret your name as offensive (just as people interpret "N4zi" to be offensive). It's just how they see it...doesn't matter how you see it.
There's also very little room for misinterpretation; you're no angel, just check your signature. It's there for the public to see.
Given your admitted association with satanism, surely you can understand how it might seem offending to some people..?
Though, IMO, you shouldn't have to change your name; my position on that is the same with the team name "N4zi". You should have the freedom to represent yourself as you choose.
1) Satanism accepts everyone so why aren't you accepting towards Nazis? (more specifically, the tronners "N4zi", whether or not they are Nazi IRL)
2) How can you justify getting your way (for your name) when it clearly offends people, and them ("N4zi") not getting their way for the very same reason?
3) How can you take the complaints about "N4zi" so seriously and treat the complaints regarding your name so frivolously? (I know people that wouldn't even start playing tron just because a moderator of the forums is associated with "the devil" or "Satan". Overall, it might be a very serious issue...)
^ Explain hypocrisy please. ^
Again, I'd like to thank Z-Man for making the continuation of this discussion possible.
