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[Light]

Well, you can most likely ignore this post. The original point of it is not going to be used, so feel free to forget it ever existed.

[epsy]

Which servers do I want to avoid if I don't want to be in your database?

[Light]

Which servers do I want to avoid if I don't want to be in your database?

That would be a semi big list, and I don't know off the top of my head. Is it really worth not playing so your username isn't logged? It's only really used to figure out who people are that's causing trouble, and it's not like it's available for public.

[Phytotron]

People tend to dislike their IP's being available

Gee, wonder why?

That would be a semi big list, and I don't know off the top of my head. Is it really worth not playing so your username isn't logged? It's only really used to figure out who people are that's causing trouble, and it's not like it's available for public.

Does someone else want to dissect all the problematic aspects of this paragraph? Each sentence blows my mind.

[Light]

People tend to dislike their IP's being available

Gee, wonder why?

It's like getting upset that I can get your phone number from a phone book. Better yet .. If the phone book wasn't even public.

IP's are not private. They are given out every single time you connect to anywhere online. In fact, your IP is given out every time you load a page here, and it's logged, connected to your username, and timestamped. Being a part of this forum is worse than what I've done to you.

[epsy]

Except here is a clear bound on what action notifies which people. If you request a page on this website, Tank Program can see it on his web server logs. If you create an account and/or post then the people in the 'Global Moderators' group can see it.

But in this case, I do not know going where notifies which people.

[Light]

Except here is a clear bound on what action notifies which people. If you request a page on this website, Tank Program can see it on his web server logs. If you create an account and/or post then the people in the 'Global Moderators' group can see it.

But in this case, I do not know going where notifies which people.

Well, every server you play on is giving that person and their host access to your IP. Depending on how client connections are set up, you could also be connection to users clients, which would be giving them your IP as well. That's not something I can say for sure is happening though, so I wouldn't worry about it.

When it comes to the database I have .. it's only me and one other person that can see it right now. If you guys really think this is a terrible idea, I won't go letting anyone else into it, but I don't actually see it as being that bad. To have even found this place, you had to give your IP out to a random person. You've probably given it to Google on your way here, then once you were here, you gave it to tank and all the server hosts who's servers you used, etc etc. The only thing different I've done is put them together so we can figure out who people are when they cause problems on my / others' servers.

I would actually prefer for this not to be useful at all. For us to have accounts that were not worth having multiples of for some reason, and for every single person not to be using an alias. If people stuck to a single name, or if they had an account name show along with their changeable name, it would be wonderful. Sadly, we have no real reason to keep to a single account, so we can create tons of them and different aliases and the trolls use that to cause problems.

How often the database is used is also something that may be worth noting. I rarely use it because it's only useful when people cause you trouble. For random people, it's really not worth looking up who they are, because there's no use in caring. You ain't going to have to keep at them for anything, and if it's someone you should care about, you probably already know. I usually like to do a quick search before I ban someone for good from a server. Just to make sure it's the person I'm meaning to ban and that they deserve it.

Of course, I won't get rid of the database as it took quite a bit of gathering to get it to where it is. If you guys are really against the popular hosts having access to it, then it doesn't bother me to keep it to myself. When it comes to avoiding it, I think it's pointless really, but I also won't say from where they all come from because I wouldn't want them to get avoided over it.

Just on a side note. Phyto, if you actually wrote something constructive, I might have at least considered your post. If I were to play that game, we would get nowhere.

[sinewav]

I'm not exactly sure what is going on here but I would like to know which servers are logging me to a searchable database so I can avoid them. Speaking of which, is there a way I can keep a server blacklist on my local machine to have those servers removed from my server browser?

Just on a side note. Phyto, if you actually wrote something constructive, I might have at least considered your post. If I were to play that game, we would get nowhere.

Are you seriously looking to start a debate about this? You have got to be kidding. Do you work for the NSA or something?

Take this post as my official opt-out of your scheme.

[Light]

I'm not exactly sure what is going on here but I would like to know which servers are logging me to a searchable database so I can avoid them. Speaking of which, is there a way I can keep a server blacklist on my local machine to have those servers removed from my server browser?

Modify your hosts file and prevent them from responding?

Are you seriously looking to start a debate about this?

Nope. Just pointing out that his attacking with no points made was doing nothing.

I'm not exactly sure what is going on here ..........
Take this post as my official opt-out of your scheme.

And yes, you're late to the party. I already stated that I ain't doing it, so there's nothing to opt out of.

[sinewav]

And yes, you're late to the party. I already stated that I ain't doing it, so there's nothing to opt out of.

Good, but unfortunately you have done some damage to yourself. Those of us leery of secret databases that collect our information must learn to trust you are not going to continue your data collection anyway. I'm sorry you did this to yourself. I would like to stop using your servers for Ladle, but that is not my decision.

[Word]

This is a very ambiguous topic to me. I think when we had set up a similar site, we got the same complaints, but less harsh, which is somewhat ironic because that was before the NSA scandal. We also put it down and just used the stuff we still had in private (and thanks to that we found out about Bambam and swiss, in case anyone remembers this one long list of aliases).

It wouldn't have been necessary if certain admins had simply helped us in the first place, they knew who they were and could just have told us, they didn't because they wanted to protect the privacy of the players on their servers, which in my opinion was less significant than preventing them from doing what they did (and you know, the sole purpose of it really was to find the needle in the haystack, and we did). It was a rather paranoid thing to do (and I didn't ask Ai to make it), but frankly, in retrospect the paranoia seemed justified and it was ultimately a helpful tool while it lasted.

I mean, look at how that sort of thing (not necessarily real imposters, but even the sheer possibility that there's a 'traitor', as ridiculous as that may sound to those who don't care about clans) drove other clans insane over time. Although I don't take all this seriously anymore (I haven't played in a while...), I think tools like these will appear time and time again, and it's good that you shut this one down, but it won't solve the problem that causes people to produce them.

[ConVicT]

I've something on my CP from Rx that's the same thing (I think), under "check user", but obviously it only works on players that enter my server.
When "The Prison Yard" was really popular, this was useful for taking care of trouble makers. I would enter the server and get told 20 different stories about mods kicking/silencing people for no reason, but the mods would deny it, and I'm not about to go through all the logs
So this came in very handy for times when I wasn't there to /players them all the time.

[Light]

I would like to stop using your servers for Ladle, but that is not my decision.

That wouldn't solve anything if I were planning on continuing it. I know you're worried about it, but I think you're better off just trusting that I really shut it down, as you can see if you go to the site .. the page and database are gone. The only thing that could accomplish is losing a host.

If others agree with you, then sure I'll take down the Ladle server. It's only there to be of help, as I get nothing for it and allow it to eat up resources. I'm doing nothing but trying to help when it comes to that.

I've something on my CP from Rx that's the same thing (I think), under "check user"

Yeah ... it's not exactly something new. There are others with big databases of logs that use it in the same way.

This is a very ambiguous topic to me. I think when we had set up a similar site, we got the same complaints, but less harsh, which is somewhat ironic because that was before the NSA scandal. We also put it down and just used the stuff we still had in private (and thanks to that we found out about Bambam and swiss, in case anyone remembers this one long list of aliases).

It wouldn't have been necessary if certain admins had simply helped us in the first place, they knew who they were and could just have told us, they didn't because they wanted to protect the privacy of the players on their servers, which in my opinion was less significant than preventing them from doing what they did (and you know, the sole purpose of it really was to find the needle in the haystack, and we did). It was a rather paranoid thing to do (and I didn't ask Ai to make it), but frankly, in retrospect the paranoia seemed justified and it was ultimately a helpful tool while it lasted.

I mean, look at how that sort of thing (not necessarily real imposters, but even the sheer possibility that there's a 'traitor', as ridiculous as that may sound to those who don't care about clans) drove other clans insane over time. Although I don't take all this seriously anymore (I haven't played in a while...), I think tools like these will appear time and time again, and it's good that you shut this one down, but it won't solve the problem that causes people to produce them.

It's also useful when you have people applying to the clan, or older clan members returning. I especially find it useful when they need me to recover their GID or if they want mod/admin in a server.

[Durf]

Everyone here is a bunch of nabs. (except Light)

If you wanted to truly be anonymous, then you would be taking the steps necessary to do so.
You would be confident in your anonymity. Frankly it is ignorance that causes such paranoia.

It is my opinion that anyone that has anything wrong with this idea only has a desire to be anonymous for a reason (most likely being to troll without consequences or they simply are afraid of having no privacy).
"Oh noes! All your aliases are belong to us!"

To think that not having your IP recorded in a database somehow protects you better...well that's just silly.
Everyone that thinks their dynamic IP gives them privacy is also incorrect; your entire range of IPs that your ISP would ever give you is available publicly.

In actuality, you are as much anonymous as you can be anonymous.
Meaning, if you give out personal information, it is your own fault. If you fail at being anonymous, it is your own fault.


Light, maybe your only mistake was to try and do a good thing for a bunch of nabs.
If anyone has a problem with what I said, I'd be glad to elaborate on how you're a nab.

[sinewav]

To think that not having your IP recorded in a database somehow protects you better...well that's just silly.

Well, you are a rather simple-minded fellow now aren't you? This is not about having IPs recorded, it is about who is recording and why. If this is a tool to do good, then everyone should have access to it and be allowed to make changes. That is not the case now is it? If this database is for the benefit of the community then let the community decide how they want to use such a tool, if they want to use it. From what I can see it is a localized tool accessed by a privileged few. That is bad.

It isn't just troublemakers who want be anonymous. Some people simply don't want to be identified because they don't want to be bothered. They just want to play a game. Just because you can be social in Armagetron doesn't mean you should be forced to. If everyone knew each other's IP addresses no one could be left alone.

Maybe we should just identify everyone by their IP so no one needs a username anymore? Whenever you log into an Arma server there could be a console message saying "Hello Durf, welcome to NabZone HR!" This is easily scripted. It's a good idea, right? ....Not.