Yeah, that seems retarded to me. I think you should be able to play with less than, but no greater than 6 players (meaning sign up whoever you want for subs). Why should it matter if a team only has 5 or 4 or even 2 players? As long as they play, what difference does it make? And shouldn't a team with 9 or 10 or even 11 players be able to substitute when they feel like it?
I say we change the wiki right away. The rule doesn't make sense.
It should be; Teams cannot participate with less than 5 players or more than 10. (4 subs.)
freako wrote:So this actually means we can't signup more then 8 players on our teamlist?
Yes, that's what it means. But 8 is definitely not enough, it should be at least 10. Or one replacement for two or three possible missing players. So 12 for a 7 player Ladle team, with four extra subs, is more than enough.
freako wrote:(Why did we get this rule?)
So that we do not end up with one man teams and teams that end up merging at the last minute and corrupting the Challenge Board. Exactly what happened last Ladle (Ladle 19) which caused this rule to be introduced. Whoever edited/changed the wiki should fix the numbers correctly and make sure the rule stays in place. If not at least before editing wiki's inform people of the change YOU made. The new one simply doesn't enforce what the rule was originally created for.
Actually, I don't even see why players need to be listed anyway. We can't enforce it, and I don't see how we can really stop teams from merging or replacing players at the last minute (unless, the idea of the MCP gets realized). CT and Arrow didn't sign up a single player for L-19, and CT played with only 5 people. I say eliminate the player list altogether, or leave it optional (as it is now). Or, maybe just the team captain lists their name so we have someone to bitch at.
If you don't think your team can show up with at least 6 players on the day of the Ladle, either 1) merge with another team, 2) recruit more players, or 3) do not sign up your team and instead ask to join another one.
DDMJ wrote:Just change it to say: If you don't think your team can show up with at least 6 players on the day of the Ladle, either 1) merge with another team, 2) recruit more players, or 3) do not sign up your team and instead ask to join another one.
Nah... Why make it hard for teams? 5v6 or 4v6 can be good matches too. IMO it's better to have 2 teams with 5 players than 1 team with 10.
pike wrote:They might not show at all if there will be too much rules
Yes, but do we really want them if they can't handle a simple suggestion? And it's really not a rule; it just emphasizes that the match should be between two teams of six for fairness and balance (though we all know fairness and balance are truly dependent on the overall skill of the team, not just their numbers).
I think this is a small matter to debate. Sure, the team swapping in L-19 was inconvenient, but that wasn't the big issue. The big issue was this: the new teams didn't know the competition was best of three, then both disappeared after the first match. This offset the time severely. Time was the issue, not byes.
Honestly, I don't think max number of players per team matters. As long as the actual match is 6v6, it really isn't the business of other teams how many players the other teams have as subs. If players aren't allowed to play because the team had too many people extra and didn't make another team for the players that weren't guarenteed a position on the team, then that is an internal issue and really doesn't matter to any other team.
it would simplify things if you dont require captains to post who is on their team. just have the captains sign up and let them worry about getting their team there. If their team doesn't show, they don't participate, or they play with who is there, even if its imbalanced. a team captain is in a a position of leadership, if they can't lead their team, they lose, then they learn to fix it next time. Just make it clear that participants can't be on multiple teams, so that someone isn't team hopping just to get to the finals.
trust me, this made my tourneys run much smoother, when i wasn't so concerned with "who was on each team, and if each team had the right number of players and making sure the teams were even". now i just concern myself with which teams are present, where they need to go and the bracket.
I feel like the reason captains have posted who is on the team is for many reasons besides informing this "organizer" (know idea who you're referring to as the Destiny of the Ladle).
they list of players has been used for a signup page for many teams, a confirmation page. Teams use it so open team organizers know who is available. Also, in retrospect we can see which individual players won Ladles, which is good historical record keeping. So I have no problems with it.
I agree with Corn and Destiny. Dont do the things more difficult to teams if you want a bigger ladle.
I dont mind who play in each team and I dont mind if they are 20 players. I only want to play and have fun.
I think the only rule should be to present 4-5 players to play.
Yes, but in the last 2 Ladles there was at least one team with no players that showed up or a team that decided it didn't have enough and wanted to combine with another team on the day-of. It's just better to see that there are real teams, not fake ones that were made weeks ahead, then forgot about it, and only have 2 players show up.
