Consequences of L 36 - Voting Thread

[Word]

1/8/2010 3:31 Word wrote: "why do we have to discuss this? the best two teams will enter the finals. Both SP teams don't win if they don't beat the best other teams sooner or later."

so what? there is no discussion about it in this thread.

[Lord Pein]

1.) The community can punish players/teams even if they did not strictly violate the rules by

* suspending players who are not signed up on the Challenge Board during a game - Yes/No
* banning them for 1-3 ladles - Yes/No
* banning them permanently - Yes/No


There doesn't need to be a discussion thread if we just vote on it.

2.) Speeders swapped their teams in Ladle 36. This is clearly not against the rules but it is by no means good sportsmanship. As a consequence of that,

* this time, nothing will be done - Yes/No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next ladle - Yes/No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next two ladles - Yes/No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next three ladles - Yes/No


* both teams' captains will be excluded from next ladle - Yes/No
* both teams' captains will be excluded the next two ladles - Yes/No
* both teams' captains will be excluded the next three ladles - Yes/No
* only the following players will be excluded: <insert name> (<insert number of ladles, from 0-3>)


3.) The outcome of Ladle 36 is declared void. - Yes/No How could it be? SP beat BOTH CT and KOD!

4.) Sock Puppet Teams

* Teams with less than 3 players are invalid and lose by default. - Yes/No
* Everyone who signs up more than one team will be excluded from the tournament (for a time that has to be voted on). - Yes/No
* only one team per clan - Yes/No <--- that will just make ladles smaller and exclude players which is the last thing this community needs

[Word]

1.) The community can punish players/teams even if they did not strictly violate the rules by

* suspending players who are not signed up on the Challenge Board during a game - Yes
* banning them for 1-3 ladles - Yes
* banning them permanently - Yes
(comment: everyone who votes no here should remember how House got impostered during Ladle 35.)

2.) Speeders swapped their teams in Ladle 36. This is clearly not against the rules but it is by no means good sportsmanship. As a consequence of that,

* this time, nothing will be done - No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next ladle - No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next two ladles - No
* both teams' players will be excluded from the next three ladles - No


* both teams' captains will be excluded from next ladle - Yes
* both teams' captains will be excluded the next two ladles - No
* both teams' captains will be excluded the next three ladles - No
* only the following players will be excluded: flex, orion - next ladle


3.) The outcome of Ladle 36 is declared void. - Yes

4.) Sock Puppet Teams

* Teams with less than 3 players are invalid and lose by default. - Yes (imagine tons of one-player-teams would sign up next ladle)
* Everyone who signs up more than one team will be excluded from the tournament (for a time that has to be voted on). - Yes
* only one team per clan - No

edit: changed my vote after seeing that they didn't learn anything.

[dreadlord]

3.) The outcome of Ladle 36 is declared void. - Yes/No How could it be? SP beat BOTH CT and KOD!

CT only had one team

[syllabear]

This does nothing really to sort the problem. There's nothing wrong with a clan signing up two teams, it just means more teams out there, more players get an opportunity to play.

The problem is with the relaxed attitude of how players can be signed up after randomisation. SO these rules would deal with that and still allow open team's and other such team's lax participation, which nobody has a problem with

1) Once a player has been signed up for a team, they cannot play for another team. If they were wrongly signed up by someone to a team they did not wish to play for, that person signing them up is banned from this and the next ladle.

And then to clarify that, subclause would either be:

1a) A team must have at least 3 members on it before it can be qualified as a team, before the random picking of brackets
OR
1b) If a clan (or team) wishes to have more than one participating ladle team, it has to ensure it has enough players to fill both teams, AND SO, must fill at least one team with at least 6 players and the other with 3 before the picking of brackets.


As for the rules you bring up word, I don't think they are complete, so a vote should not have been called.

1.) The community can punish players/teams even if they did not strictly violate the rules by

* suspending players who are not signed up on the Challenge Board during a game - No. How the f*** are we going to do this? Ladle games are already very tight as it is timewise, you think we have enough time to get 14+ votes in DURING ladle DURING match time? Are you insane?
* banning them for 1-3 ladles - Yes
* banning them permanently - Yes

2.) Speeders swapped their teams in Ladle 36. This is clearly not against the rules but it is by no means good sportsmanship. As a consequence of that,

* Flex, orion banned next ladle.
* No team is allowed to participate under the name "Speeders" or any variation of thus next ladle, to the discression of the voting captains. No more than 3 players from the current speeders clan or any future members between now and the next ladle are allowed to compete on the same team next ladle.

3.) The outcome of Ladle 36 is declared void. - No, not going to happen. They won, and if we call it void, some won't and some will no matter. Just give them their tainted victory.

4.) Sock Puppet Teams

* Teams with less than 3 players are invalid and lose by default. - No, but my rule will clarify that. Tx proved they didn't need 3 players, Luck played alone, and OT rarely has more than 3 signed players before randomisation
* Everyone who signs up more than one team will be excluded from the tournament (for a time that has to be voted on). - Yes
* only one team per clan - No

[Word]

* suspending players who are not signed up on the Challenge Board during a game.
No. How the f*** are we going to do this? Ladle games are already very tight as it is timewise, you think we have enough time to get 14+ votes in DURING ladle DURING match time? Are you insane?

when a player isn't signed up and can't login with a global id that is connected to one of the names on the challenge board the other team can complain. (for example, xyron plays for ct2 although his name isn't on the challenge board. the other team would feel overwhelmed and starts to complain, then it's up to them to decide if they suspend him. who says they need 14+ votes? that's changeable.

[owned]

I'm going to put this up for a vote on the ct forums so I'll post back in a few days.

[Word]

this isn't the place to discuss this. keep it in PMs please. what matters is that flex is the team's leader who edited the wiki and as such he is responsible for this.

[Tremor]

Sorry I'm not wasting my time voting on this bullshit

Can't some community leader just say "don't pull shit like that again" and we move on?

Hmm this might be a good idea.....

Have a community leader and when problems like this occur we can look for him/her to make the big decision instead of having all this fighting. We could also switch community leader every quarter by having people vote on who they want...

Only problem is this might turn into a power thing and vendetta's might rise effecting decisions. Plus people will fight over if the person's choice of actions were too strict or lenient...

Well if we do go in this direction i nominate Red Thunder! That guy is so cool and like always thinking with a clear head.

[MrsKsr]

We already have ladle appointed "admins" that were voted for, Z-man is one of those people.. Js.

[sinewav]

We already have ladle appointed "admins" that were voted for, Z-man is one of those people.. Js.

server admin only.

[MrsKsr]

I was under the impression that being an admin would overflow into general ladle "stuff"..
..my bad.

[Z-Man]

We already have ladle appointed "admins" that were voted for, Z-man is one of those people.. Js.

server admin only.

That. I interpret my mandate this way: my job is to
a) do silencing/banning/game starting when nobody else who can is around and I get called in over IRC
b) at the very most, settle disputes that arise during the event that would, if nobody stomps his foot, delay the whole thing unnecessary
One could have ignored that the issue started before the ladle and filed the problems under b), however, intervening would have likely been the the cause of more delays.

inS: That other thread you're responding to was locked. There's a reason for that.

[Lucifer]

Can we not bleed the drama into a voting thread?

If you guys can talk about it without engaging in personal attacks, start a new thread, but please leave this one to do what it's here to do.

[Word]

The following teams didn't vote yet: ct (Woned/Zap), plus (Liz), DS (Cruz), IB (free kill), UNK (Pr3), ID (Tremor), TX (Durka/Hoax) and dbd (Overrated). I left out Vecolity.

Here is what we have so far:
1.) The community can punish players/teams even if they did not strictly violate the rules by

• suspending players who are not signed up on the Challenge Board during a game - 3xYes, 4xNo
• banning them* for 1-3 ladles - 4xYes, 3xNo
• banning them* permanently - 4xYes, 3xNo

There doesn't need to be a discussion thread if we just vote on it.

2.) Speeders swapped their teams in Ladle 36. This is clearly not against the rules but it is by no means good sportsmanship. As a consequence of that,

• this time, nothing will be done - 5xYes
• both teams' players will be excluded from the next ladle 1xYes
• both teams' captains will be excluded from next ladle - 2xYes
• only the following players will be excluded: 2x Flex and Orion - next ladle

3.) The outcome of Ladle 36 is declared void. - 3xYes, 3xNo

4.) Sock Puppet Teams

• Teams with less than 3 players are invalid and lose by default. - 4xYes, 3xNo
• Everyone who signs up more than one team will be excluded from the tournament (for a time that has to be voted on). - 7xYes (yay!)
• only one team per clan - 2xYes, 5xNo

* "them" = players/teams who did not strictly violate the rules but caused trouble