admin abuse

[sinewav]

i am suggesting that the collective kick mechanism works ok on the grid
and something like that may evolve at the higher level wrt servers

Oh I see. That's pretty interesting actually. I've never thought of it that way. In my limited knowledge, I can't possibly see how something like that could be written; but it's kind of neat to think about.

[gawdzilla]

Oh my god, just shut up. Do you even get what we, the "bullies", are trying to say? You weren't "wronged", you were kicked because it was a decided match. Get over it already.

God bless those kids you work with.

[2020]

thanks
sine

@lizmatic
perhaps forums should have the power such that the person who starts a thread has the admin power to kick posters?
and
i was over it while it was happening on the grid
and i am over it while i continue to deal with your disrespectful comments
someone has to stand up and point it out

see you on the grid

[Phytotron]

i am suggesting that the collective kick mechanism works ok on the grid

it's the dissers, the negative types, the bullies; these are all the people who usually turn school experience into hell

Yeah, that's the majority of players these days, too, and guess who will be voting in your "ban this server and these people from the master server list" referendums? Jackass. FFS, you really believe players act responsibly and morally (with honour, as you put it) with the kick votes as they are? Now you want to expand that to entire servers?

Can't you just imagine the idiotic clan and server wars that would erupt? Mob rule and lynch mobs != grass roots.


Oh, and "meeting you on the grid" is totally irrelevant to any of this. I think that's been explained to you before. How would mopping the arena floor with you settle any disagreement? That's like saying, "oh yeah, you wanna take it outside?!" Oh, OK, someone beats up someone else. That really proves a point, huh.

[LucK]

It proves who will win in a fight

[2020]

thanks
luck
seems obvious to me
after all
there are benefits to playing AA or GO such that we don't resort to violence

@Phytotron
you think a bunch of words are any better?

what i am demonstrating
for your edification
is converting your negative rap of words and underlying attitude
into positive game skill and resulting team work

as for honour
yup
i am holding out on honour and respect
it's the only way that a self-organised structure holds together
in order to weather the storm of dissenters and destructive types

btw
of course you are right
the kick option can be severely abused when a large number of abusers turn up
but generally
they are outnumbered by well-meaning experienced and respectful players
i suspect the same thing would happen with servers
and
actually
if the competition i am thinking of is run by schools
although teachers are generally a rather restricted if not anal lot
they generally play by the book
and the level of abuse you are thinking of
just won't happen

[gawdzilla]

@lizmatic
perhaps forums should have the power such that the person who starts a thread has the admin power to kick posters?

If that person is the forum admin and thinks you're an annoying little twat; YES. Your point is completely irrelevant and a very bad example, the owner of a server (most of the time) pays MONEY for the service. You're saying the person who provides the server can't decide who does or doesn't play on his/her server? What a crock of shit. Old men like you and arilou shouldn't play games. Take an example to compguy, who is pretty cool and understands the dynamics of the game, you whiner.

[Z-Man]

they are outnumbered by well-meaning experienced and respectful players
i suspect the same thing would happen with servers

On the Internet. Sure. Where perfectly fine products regularly get Zero Points votes from masses of people angry at it for some reason. Nope, sorry. I can see no way this wouldn't be abused. People already vote on servers. With their feet. Well run servers get players, well frequented servers attract more players. Badmined servers get deserted.

Also, one of YOU ADMINS, DEAR READERS, kicked ME from their server just recently. Yes, ME. I'll leave it at that for now, so you all tremble in fear of my horrible revenge.

[LucK]

You're saying the person who provides the server can't decide who does or doesn't play on his/her server? What a crock of shit. Old men like you and arilou shouldn't play games. Take an example to compguy, who is pretty cool and understands the dynamics of the game, you whiner.

I lol'd

I think this fella believes there are rules that all servers must follow which is not true there are no rules that every server must follow server owners can do whatever they want. I will say this though I do agree that alot of admins and mods abuse their power but it's there choice all I can do to stop it (for me) is not play there. You said go to the two different types of servers and I have IMO I like it when the admins can do whatever they want. Why? It makes the game a little more interesting when admins have fun and mess around. Then again I play this game to have fun and relax....

also @Z-man lmao

[gawdzilla]

they are outnumbered by well-meaning experienced and respectful players
i suspect the same thing would happen with servers

On the Internet. Sure. Where perfectly fine products regularly get Zero Points votes from masses of people angry at it for some reason. Nope, sorry. I can see no way this wouldn't be abused. People already vote on servers. With their feet. Well run servers get players, well frequented servers attract more players. Badmined servers get deserted.

Also, one of YOU ADMINS, DEAR READERS, kicked ME from their server just recently. Yes, ME. I'll leave it at that for now, so you all tremble in fear of my horrible revenge.

Oh, shit!

THE END IS NEAR PEOPLE, MASTERSERVERS GETTING SHUT DOWN, IS IT 2012 ALREADY?

[compguygene]

they are outnumbered by well-meaning experienced and respectful players
i suspect the same thing would happen with servers

On the Internet. Sure. Where perfectly fine products regularly get Zero Points votes from masses of people angry at it for some reason. Nope, sorry. I can see no way this wouldn't be abused. People already vote on servers. With their feet. Well run servers get players, well frequented servers attract more players. Badmined servers get deserted.

Also, one of YOU ADMINS, DEAR READERS, kicked ME from their server just recently. Yes, ME. I'll leave it at that for now, so you all tremble in fear of my horrible revenge.

Oh, shit!

THE END IS NEAR PEOPLE, MASTERSERVERS GETTING SHUT DOWN, IS IT 2012 ALREADY?

I have noticed a trend among admins to kick people of late! BAD! BAD! BAD! Recently, suspend was offered as a better option! Also, why all the kicking! BAD! BAD! BAD! If a player is being unruly in one of my servers, or any of the other servers where I am an admin or mod, I ALWAYS negotiate with them first. I take the time to explain the potential consequences of their actions, FIRST. If they continue to cause trouble, I discuss it some more. Only twice in the last year did I ever have to kick someone, and that was during Wild West Fortress Practices. Inevitably, they decide to leave before I suspend, kick, or ban them. Generally speaking, kicking or banning people just causes more trouble later, as people start to choose sides! Suspend should almost always be your first choice! Then people can still be in the server spec'ing, and calm down. Kick and Ban are really only a last resort. KickHappy and BanHappy admins and mods generally cause way more trouble than they prevent.

[gawdzilla]

This is not even a kick/ban issue... 2020 was put to spec/kicked because it was a private match. Badmin was nowhere to be found.

[2020]

z-man
hehe

@lizmatic
did i mention the forum admin?
please read what i write:
the originator of the thread
in this case me
could kick you and your comments off the thread...
this would be the equivalent
would it not
to the server admins...
a strategy that hasn't evolved on forums for some unknown reason...


@z-man
hmmm
we'll see...
if the tronic progression takes off
then the finals will have to be conducted on secure servers
and the reputation of the onwers will be at stake
since there might be opportunity of fiddling with settings behind the scenes...
if respect is part of the grid play
and plays a reasonable part of ladles
then just imagine what it will be like at the level of server admins...
so
i will suggest that such a dynamic of trust/honour/respect
will be necessary...
hmmm:
players vote on the grid
admins vote at the level of servers...

@luck
server admins can do what they want
and when there are thousands of players
they can do what they want
my initial remark was aimed at their effect on new players

good grief
there are plenty of reasons why aa fortress is tricky to pick up
lowering the barrier of entry just seems to be obvious!

@compguygene
i sat with a noob when he was suspended
and he did benefit from a few rounds just looking at the skills of the players...
been an excellent improvement to the game
for sure

[while writing:
@lizmatic
read the posts please...
if i had known what the conditions were
(unknown people don't get to play)
i would have elected to get off the team myself
just like i know how to conduct myself at a ladle...

if you are not capable of contributing a balanced perspective
then take your one-sidedness onto the grid
where you can make sure you position yourself on the opposite team :]

[gawdzilla]

He still doesn't get it.

I give up, idiota.

[LucK]

@luck
server admins can do what they want
and when there are thousands of players
they can do what they want
my initial remark was aimed at their effect on new players

What server do you play fort in?

Every time i have been in a fort server and there is a new player everyone is nice and tries to help them the best they can.

i.e: Hoax always helps new players and is more than likely against kicking a new player who is willing to take the time to learn.

Most of the new players though won't respond to multiple requests to grind even when given a thorough explanation of what grinding is...

@z-man
hmmm
we'll see...
if the tronic progression takes off
then the finals will have to be conducted on secure servers
and the reputation of the onwers will be at stake
since there might be opportunity of fiddling with settings behind the scenes...
if respect is part of the grid play
and plays a reasonable part of ladles
then just imagine what it will be like at the level of server admins...
so
i will suggest that such a dynamic of trust/honour/respect
will be necessary...
hmmm:
players vote on the grid
admins vote at the level of servers...

What you are saying is the admins for servers during the ladle are trusted and that they should be the people who get to vote. Correct? If so then that would cause huge problems there are lots of admins/owners who have their own clan server or own server that they like to play in and they are not involved in ladles. These players could have their servers taken away without any say at all. Most servers aren't there for the people who don't like to play there but more so for the people who do. To take away a server because you don't agree with the way it's run is silly. Including the fact that let's say you take away a server on the 5th if a person payed for that server on the 1st then i bet they would be mighty pissed that they just lost money because people don't know how to disconnect from the server.

@lizmatic
did i mention the forum admin?
please read what i write:
the originator of the thread
in this case me
could kick you and your comments off the thread...
this would be the equivalent
would it not
to the server admins...
a strategy that hasn't evolved on forums for some unknown reason...

The ability to silence anyone from voicing their opinion is wrong and this idea is horrible. Sorry just my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a way you don't have to see certain people's posts?