admin abuse

[2020]

very strange experience

i was playing on a sumo server and someone suggest we play a tst
i join the appointed server
start playing
and then after the first match
i end up getting kicked

i hadn't said anything rude or anything

i asked what was going on
and luckily the admin revealed who they were

i then asked them what they were doing
why was i banned etc
when my teammate said he was wanting to play with me

i questioned their behaviour
and then i was called stupid

i was playing under an alias

it was only midway through the exchange did i remember posts about his bad behaviour

perhaps one day
we will have a kind of kick option for the master server
so we can get rid of such servers and their admin
much like the in-game procedure

until that time
could players please take a little more responsibility for where they choose to play
because supporting this kind of admin
is bad for the game
period

respect and honour are not top-down control techniques
they are bottom-up techniques:
please use your power wisely

[Flex]

I knew you would come here acting like you're all innocent and this simply just happened without cause.. When in the true case was, you were under an alias and nobody knew who you were. You joined a server specifically set up for a Mini TST, oh wait... you didn't know that, you acted like you didn't even know what TST was.. Nice acting skills.. I'm wondering if you just did this all to simply open a discussion on me..

I tried to explain to you nicely and clearly on why you were replaced, because I actually assumed you were someone that was new to the game, but no you were just wasting my time... After a little while I realised and checked. I already disliked your attitude, but when you started talking about the growth of the game and that you knew why the game isn't growing and indirectly blaming me, as if my actions are the cause.. So what do you want me to do? Stop our mini tournament and wait for you to leave so that we can play the tournament with people we WANT?

There were 8 teams and all the spots were full and there was people who wanted to play that everybody knew who they were. We've been doing this ever since the whole idea of MiniTST's. Yet when asked to reveal yourself so we may know who's taking the spot you'd rather not say but also would rather argue that it's your right to take the spot?

You know what really ticked me off the most? When you started talking about how you know me from "the forums" as if my name and image some how repersents what some of these pricks in the community say about me.. It even got worse when you started defending yourself with the typical shit about how this game isn't growing because of things like this.. Tell me what game you know that allows random people to join private matches, while they're trying to play a serious game?

Here's a suggestion to you, don't join my servers and act like you deserve to be treated like royalty, it's not a server for you, I did not purchase it so I have to deal with immeture people who go around looking for trouble.

[epsy]

oh hi Flex, right in time for drama you come!

[LucK]

lol Flex's post seemed so angry...

but yea it's his server dude he can do what he wants to and if people like the server there isn't much you can do about it and if we could "poll" individual servers a lot would be gone over silly stuff like this.

As to Flex being involved with drama imo this was a silly post it was in a way asking for drama....remember IMO!

[Z-Man]

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[epsy]

Isn't the

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part superfluous?

anyways..

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self.ignore(thread)

[Z-Man]

Isn't the

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part superfluous?

To the compiler getting the whole function context, yes. To the human getting only one line, no. I would have had to give the full function, too:

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void Z-Man::WhatToDoWith(Thread & thread)
{
    if( thread.IsPointlessDrama() )
    {
        Ignore(thread);
    }
    ....
}

And even more, because you don't know at that point that Ignore() is a member function of Z-Man. STOP OVERANALYZING, IT'S DESTROYING THE FUNNY.

[2020]

1
i didn't mention who
2
i was playing under a pseudonym mainly through accident
when i introduced a new player to the game
i changed my name...
kept with it for a while
3
i didn't 'reveal' who i was
because i didn't think it was important
i liked the fact i was playing with teammates and respected players without history
4
i was playing
and then i got kicked by admin
not by my teammate
5
as anybody who plays with me
they know i have no idea about many things
eg login /invites and commands and that includes acronyms for tst
you can check if you want
never played in one
6
the memory of your name popping up came way later
after you demonstrated your badmin behaviour
7
yes
your behaviour and attitude give this game a bad name
and i dread to think of any noobs who happen to visit your server
(in comparison to the noobs who enter full-tilt fortress servers
and get completely wasted and kicked : )
8
i am far from wanting to be treated like royalty
nor am i looking for trouble
9
@luck:
please read my post
go to a server which is lush (whatever that means) / go to a server where the players are respected
make the decision
10
@z-man:
you could have ignored it
but you decided to comment on it
and your word has weight;
my request was to invite players to recognise their collective power
not invite a personal argy-bargy and snide side comments
11
there are many reasons why this game has not taken off as much as it deserves
too much tking

[sinewav]

IT'S DESTROYING THE FUNNY.

Oh no. No it's no. It's getting very funny indeed.

[Cosmic Dolphin]

Guys, just quit complaining. So, people get kicked sometimes when they didn't need to. WHO CARES!

I am saying this from a former admin's standpoint. When I would police Tronners, it was a nightmare. Many players just seem to live only to annoy you. The job gets tiring quickly. As a result, we don't like putting up with much. Sometimes, if it has been a long day, we might just kick anyone who causes trouble so we get some peace. Maybe you were still in the rules (maybe), but chances are you were annoying enough to just get on the admin's nerves. And you were kicked.

If this is not the case, MOVE ON! After all, you aren't permanently banned from all Armagetron servers. In fact, you could go back and play at the one. Admin abuse does happen, true, but I find it is pretty rare. And it ain't brought the end of the world, and it won't do that in the future. Whiny players are a bigger problem.

[Flex]

You explaining in detail your part of the story was enough to point me out, 2020. I don't need my name mentioned to feel a need to address it.. I'm not a robot and I see a lot of things.. And this is the second time someone has indirectly spoke of something I've said or done without mentioning my name, which is kind of annoying..

It was kind of important at the time. I'm not a person to demand to know who's playing under what name. I respect peoples privacy as I want my own, though mostly I don't care enough, but at that specific moment, when I asked you and then the others asked who you were, it was kind of relevant that we know who it was so we could accept them to take part in the match.

Either you don't (or didn't) realise that it was not a public game or you chose to ignore it, which only made things turn out the way it did.

If you had told us or privately told me, it was you, I would have gladly wanted you to play, because ct-wep and sp_delta wanted to join and they were better candidates to play than a stranger that we did not know, that simply might leave half way through the match.

I don't wish to extend this any longer as I've address this as much as I can, but if you believe I was a bad admin or feel that I conduct my server(s) wrongly, then fine. I don't mind if you don't play on my server, and I don't mind if you publicly disclaim any server, that's your choice, but you got things wrong and I'm sorry for that.

[Phytotron]

Hey, whaddya know, I saw part of this. I was perusing the server list, and I usually at least check out any server name I haven't seen before. (I actually wondered if "TST" was another example of kids' typical laziness: short for "Test.") So I go in. I wondered aloud why every fortress-type server used the same speed of 30 and so forth. (I mean, really, it's been three damn years and there's just one clone of fortress after another. Little to no variation. I'm excluding the crazywildlookatallourcolorsrotatingstupidwhateverthing server, although checking that, most of it is at that default as well.) That's when I saw the part about the game not growing. I said, "yeah, it spat out a whole bunch of new gimmicky game mode crap a few years ago and then stopped. ... [yadda yadda] ... Pointless and redundant server." I then left of my own accord. (I wasn't even asked to leave, although that might've been because he was tied up with 2020.)

I had no idear it was actually 2020 talking about his silly existential social engineering via video games "growth." Ha! And yeah, gotta say, he was being provocative and annoying toward Flex. (Safe to say I don't have any favoritism toward either of them?) Seems to me 2020 went in there to proselytize about his goofy pseudophilosophy and when not well received, persisted nonetheless. Yeah, you show up at my shop doing shit like that (especially if I'm having some sort of closed session), I don't care how (disingenuously) nicey-nice or grinny-grin you are, I'm throwing you out too, and am perfectly within my legal rights to do so.

Oh yeah, and what Dolphin said.

Then there's this:

a) respect and honour are not top-down control techniques
b) we will have a kind of kick option for the master server
so we can get rid of such servers and their admin

You're asking for a mechanism from the top to completely eliminate servers and players you don't like. Doesn't matter if it's then voted on. That's like asking your monarch to allow a referendum on eradication of a city (maybe a ghetto?) and subset of people whom you find undesirable in, and unsuitable for your grand social solution. Hmm.

I also find it odd that this kind of thing gets you more upset than the general behaviour of the player community these days.

[Lucifer]

I actually have a preference for using the this pointer in classes, I just don't actually do it because then people like epsy come along and talk trash to me about it. Maybe I should quit caring what those sorts of people think, since soon we'll be able to vote them out of the c++ programming world.

[gawdzilla]

Yawn... if you enter a server and the server owner kicks you (as in the person who PAYS for the server) then I don't see a problem whatsoever. It is his/her server, and his/her decision what to do with it. In this case, you got kicked because it was a private mini TST for basically people who were asked by viper to play along, one of those people were me and I watched the whole thing. You are creating unneccesary drama, but whatever you try, the individual decision of the server owner will never change, and I doubt you can pursuade Z-Man/other developers to BAN servers and admins from the game.

Phytotron is right about you.

[2020]

blimey
stick in the boot people
TKing seems to be the order of the day

@cosmic dolphin:
even now you think i have done something wrong
and thus you have brought my honour into question...

@flex:
i can understand the practice of only letting people you know play
i came to understand that fairly early on
and i merely remarked on the effect it has on new players to the game...
if that's the way you want to play it
fine
make that clear from the outset

@Phytotron
neutral?
for your information
i did not go in there with whatever your goofy interpretation of me is

@lizmatic
i am not asking for zman or developers to ban servers!
in fact
it's the opposite
i am suggesting that the collective kick mechanism works ok on the grid
and something like that may evolve at the higher level wrt servers

because
ladies and gentlemen
i was wronged on the grid
no matter what your OPINIONS are
(and i am certainly not crying about it)
what i am shocked by
is that i am wronged here on this forum

i have never been kicked
never been abusive
never
and i have no idea why on earth so many of you are taking the position you are

well
ok
in classrooms of kids
it's the dissers
the negative types
the bullies
these are all the people who usually turn school experience into hell

i worked with kids to turn this around
by appealing to these kids
as well as appealing to those who just sat and kept their head down and did bugger all about it

happened on the grid
is happening right here

anyway
words aren't going to get us anywhere fast
because it gives you the opportunity to taint the reputation of the people you talk about
whether you are aware of it or not
so
let's make it clear:
i will challenge you on the grid
lizmatic
cosmic dolphin
flex
Phytotron
even though you guys are way better than me at the moment
you are giving me the motivation to get better
and god do i need the motivation

thanks

oh
i'll use my regular name so you know i am up for it