Guide: Owning Sylv's Tavern: How to Beat Armagetron Advanced
Is there a particular reason why you would NOT instruct learners to play that way? Please elaborate on the disadvantages (other than personal taste in style of play. Point 6?) as too why they should not practice them while learning. Then they at least have a alternative explaination to work with and can make their own judgement on which style(s)/strategies/maneuvers to use?KamP wrote:go akira, proud single binder here too
actually i've only changed one thing from the defaults, brake is left shift
and i rarely use it, playing alot of swamplord servers...
Anyway, there's a lot of stuff in that guide that well... it's the kind of thing i usually tell people learning how to play NOT to do, like adjusting, 180ing, things like that.....
Its obvious that your post gives a conservative list of things to learn that are valuable on all servers (except perhaps 7), which is good, but I dont see a reason to NOT learn things just because they are less benificial on some servers and vica-versa. Perhaps you just mean that these are the things they should not learn in the begining because it may limit them to a certain style of play? However, I dont think this is the situation in every case. You can learn them and still practice other styles of play at the same time.
Perhaps its time for someone to post a link to a guide that covers all styles of available play across different settings.
EDIT: Please dont take this as a dirrect attack on Kamp's post but more a comment about such comments in general.
If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research
I don't think KamP's objection was that learning those things weren't useful to know. I think it was more like learning those things and never learning anything else makes you a sucky player that any noob on any of the non-sylv's tavern-like servers can beat into the grid floor.
Really, KamP's suggestions might appear conservative, but watch what the older players that consistently kick ass do.
Really, KamP's suggestions might appear conservative, but watch what the older players that consistently kick ass do.
Check out my YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@davefancella?si=H--oCK3k_dQ1laDN
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Yes I agree with those comments. And thats where my question about "limiting to a certain style of play" came from. I thought he may have ment this but that is not how it came across....Just dont want beginners getting the wrong idea.
Infact I was about to post your classic "how to build your skillset" post (http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1198) , which I believe is also wiki-fied, as a starting point for building a guide that covers all styles of play.
Though I dont entirely argee with how you convey the speed kill as being somewhat cheap, after all I constantly see the saying "keep your speed up or risk dying"; its part of the game.
I will elaborate on this if you wish...sorry for hi-jacking thread.
Infact I was about to post your classic "how to build your skillset" post (http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1198) , which I believe is also wiki-fied, as a starting point for building a guide that covers all styles of play.
Though I dont entirely argee with how you convey the speed kill as being somewhat cheap, after all I constantly see the saying "keep your speed up or risk dying"; its part of the game.
I will elaborate on this if you wish...sorry for hi-jacking thread.
If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research
Heh, I put that there not because it's *always* cheap, but because depending on it (the speed kill) is just as bad as depending on any specific tactic, you name it. But depending on the speed kill is something people tend to do early, so it's kind of an attempt to put that in someone's head so when they reach that point where they're on top of the world kicking ass and taking down the names, and realize they're just speed killing, they'll hopefully keep looking around for more fun things to do.
I think part of a guide is to present a mindset that, if adopted, helps the reader to get better. So it's a little propaganda on my part.
I enjoy the occasional speed kill, it's a slap in the face.
I think part of a guide is to present a mindset that, if adopted, helps the reader to get better. So it's a little propaganda on my part.
I enjoy the occasional speed kill, it's a slap in the face.

Check out my YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@davefancella?si=H--oCK3k_dQ1laDN
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Yeah its cool. I dont really have a problem with the comment personaly. There just seems to be so much anti-"new game-play style" surronding this game, and such a push for people not to play in a way that will allow them to win, but in a way that other people think is fun or l33t, that I get all up in arms when I see statements along that line.
I definately agree that your guide puts people in the correct mindset..thats why I mention it as a good starting point.
Usually my common sense would cause me to reasses before speaking but I was getting to ARRRGG! point after seeing so many people bagged for their chosen playing style.
peace out..hehehe..im such dag
I definately agree that your guide puts people in the correct mindset..thats why I mention it as a good starting point.
Usually my common sense would cause me to reasses before speaking but I was getting to ARRRGG! point after seeing so many people bagged for their chosen playing style.
peace out..hehehe..im such dag
If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research