Episode 3
Episode 3
Ok, I finally saw episode 3. Who wants to talk about it?
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Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
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Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Ok, thought I'd take a little break and actually post about it now. 
I've seen it 3 times. When I'd seen Attck of the Clones 3 times, the third time it started to feel a bit silly. ROTS isn't feeling silly yet.
The timing of the story still feels off a bit. I can't help but think that Episodes 1 and 2 should have been merged. I'm not happy with all the throwaway enemies. Dooku was a neat character in AOTC, but he was a throwaway character in the end. Same with Darth Maul. Anyway, the timeline is bothersome. The first movie takes place 10 years before the second, right? During those 10 years, the cloners of Kamino are working on their army. A Jedi had commissioned the army, but the Jedi Council didn't know about it. So who did it? Was it Dooku who set it up? He used to be a Jedi. Was Darth Maul the one who set it up? And then killed to hide the fact?
So the third movie spans a time length of about 9 months, because it starts with Padme saying she's pregnant, and ends with the two kids being born. But the movie doesn't feel like 9 months. The problem there is that Obi-Wan goes after General Grievous, and from there to the end there isn't much actual time. Anakin becomes Darth Vader during that time, of course, and then the order is given to kill off all the Jedis. But that happens very early in the movie, and can't take longer than a couple of days to play out. Maybe a week, tops, but certainly not 9 months. But the stuff that goes on in the first part of the movie, up to that point, doesn't feel like even a whole month worth of time. So, say Padme's 3 months along in her pregnancy before she tells Anakin, there's still about 6 months covered by the movie, and it just doesn't feel right. You can tell me how it's technically right all you want, it still doesn't feel right.
I didn't like Grievous being a throwaway character. He was too important of a character to be introduced so quickly and then had such a pivotal role in the forming of the Empire.
So my end take is that this movie was good because Lucas couldn't screw it up. What had to happen in this movie in order to end the trilogy bound Lucas's hands to a point where he just couldn't break it. There's still a lot of the same dumb dialog that's actually been present in the whole series, we just conveniently ignore it in the original trilogy. The story itself is fairly basic, and there just wasn't enough room for Lucas to screw it up. So I won't be surprised if it continues to be a good movie for me even after many more viewings.
I liked the star destroyers. In fact, I liked seeing the early TIE fighters (not exactly TIE fighters, but there were fighters that were definitely parent designs of all the fighters we see in the original trilogy). I liked how the ships and other military units really felt like predecessors to what was seen later (earlier?) in the original trilogy. And the scenes of Coruscant were just beautiful. This movie was very well-made, as was the last one. I wish we could just throw away the Phantom Menace, in light of these other two movies. He borked that one pretty badly, heh.
I still wish Windu had been a better character. He had so much promise in the Phantom Menace, and it wound up that the best he could do was say "I don't think so" right before getting chased out of the stands in the second movie. He was awesome in his fight with the Chancellor, but screaming and generally sounding like a wuss right after Anakin does his deed was pretty bad. I would have preferred if he had said something, even if it was just more cheesy dialog. I would also have preferred if Anakin had crossed light sabers with him instead of what he did, so there would have been a fight between them, where the Chancellor and Anakin have to work together. That would have made Anakin's subsequent oath of fealty to the Chancellor a lot more believable.
In the end, Anakin's conversion to the dark side was quite believable. Far from perfect, but believable, anyway. More believable than his ultimate salvation, in fact. I'm also left with the very strong impression that Obi-Wan was very much a cause of Anakin's conversion by being overbearing and domineering on the boy. I had the impression as a kid from the original trilogy that Obi-Wan felt like it was his fault, and that impression was strengthened by these new movies. Does anybody else feel that way? Or was Lucas trying to absolve Obi-Wan of any responsibility in Anakin being evil?
So, some questions. Do they ever mention the Emperor's name in the original trilogy? I'm curious because before we saw this movie, my wife and I were talking about what we thought it was going to be like, and I mentioned that Palpatine was the Emperor. She asked why I thought that, and I told her the Emperor's name is Palpatine in the original trilogy. I knew that from books, and I vaguely remember knowing it when I was a kid before there were any books. She was quite surprised, and mentioned that knowing that one fact totally changes the story in the Phantom Menace, you know, where Palpatine really felt like a genuine good guy. Maybe I knew that because the Emperor's action figure included his real name? (I used to have that one , I had all the villains and my brother had all the heroes, so I hd the Death Star and the star destroyer and he had the Millenium Falcon, and Han Solo in various costumes)
Who the hell was Master Siphaderous (sp?)? You know, the guy that commissioned the clone army, and he had to have commissioned it about the same time the Phantom Menace was taking place. If you could just point me to a book or two that would have more information, that would be nice. I really get the feeling he was Darth Maul, but it doesn't jive with Darth Maul's physical appearance.
I've seen it 3 times. When I'd seen Attck of the Clones 3 times, the third time it started to feel a bit silly. ROTS isn't feeling silly yet.
The timing of the story still feels off a bit. I can't help but think that Episodes 1 and 2 should have been merged. I'm not happy with all the throwaway enemies. Dooku was a neat character in AOTC, but he was a throwaway character in the end. Same with Darth Maul. Anyway, the timeline is bothersome. The first movie takes place 10 years before the second, right? During those 10 years, the cloners of Kamino are working on their army. A Jedi had commissioned the army, but the Jedi Council didn't know about it. So who did it? Was it Dooku who set it up? He used to be a Jedi. Was Darth Maul the one who set it up? And then killed to hide the fact?
So the third movie spans a time length of about 9 months, because it starts with Padme saying she's pregnant, and ends with the two kids being born. But the movie doesn't feel like 9 months. The problem there is that Obi-Wan goes after General Grievous, and from there to the end there isn't much actual time. Anakin becomes Darth Vader during that time, of course, and then the order is given to kill off all the Jedis. But that happens very early in the movie, and can't take longer than a couple of days to play out. Maybe a week, tops, but certainly not 9 months. But the stuff that goes on in the first part of the movie, up to that point, doesn't feel like even a whole month worth of time. So, say Padme's 3 months along in her pregnancy before she tells Anakin, there's still about 6 months covered by the movie, and it just doesn't feel right. You can tell me how it's technically right all you want, it still doesn't feel right.
I didn't like Grievous being a throwaway character. He was too important of a character to be introduced so quickly and then had such a pivotal role in the forming of the Empire.
So my end take is that this movie was good because Lucas couldn't screw it up. What had to happen in this movie in order to end the trilogy bound Lucas's hands to a point where he just couldn't break it. There's still a lot of the same dumb dialog that's actually been present in the whole series, we just conveniently ignore it in the original trilogy. The story itself is fairly basic, and there just wasn't enough room for Lucas to screw it up. So I won't be surprised if it continues to be a good movie for me even after many more viewings.
I liked the star destroyers. In fact, I liked seeing the early TIE fighters (not exactly TIE fighters, but there were fighters that were definitely parent designs of all the fighters we see in the original trilogy). I liked how the ships and other military units really felt like predecessors to what was seen later (earlier?) in the original trilogy. And the scenes of Coruscant were just beautiful. This movie was very well-made, as was the last one. I wish we could just throw away the Phantom Menace, in light of these other two movies. He borked that one pretty badly, heh.
I still wish Windu had been a better character. He had so much promise in the Phantom Menace, and it wound up that the best he could do was say "I don't think so" right before getting chased out of the stands in the second movie. He was awesome in his fight with the Chancellor, but screaming and generally sounding like a wuss right after Anakin does his deed was pretty bad. I would have preferred if he had said something, even if it was just more cheesy dialog. I would also have preferred if Anakin had crossed light sabers with him instead of what he did, so there would have been a fight between them, where the Chancellor and Anakin have to work together. That would have made Anakin's subsequent oath of fealty to the Chancellor a lot more believable.
In the end, Anakin's conversion to the dark side was quite believable. Far from perfect, but believable, anyway. More believable than his ultimate salvation, in fact.
I'm also left with the very strong impression that Obi-Wan was very much a cause of Anakin's conversion by being overbearing and domineering on the boy. I had the impression as a kid from the original trilogy that Obi-Wan felt like it was his fault, and that impression was strengthened by these new movies. Does anybody else feel that way? Or was Lucas trying to absolve Obi-Wan of any responsibility in Anakin being evil?So, some questions. Do they ever mention the Emperor's name in the original trilogy? I'm curious because before we saw this movie, my wife and I were talking about what we thought it was going to be like, and I mentioned that Palpatine was the Emperor. She asked why I thought that, and I told her the Emperor's name is Palpatine in the original trilogy. I knew that from books, and I vaguely remember knowing it when I was a kid before there were any books. She was quite surprised, and mentioned that knowing that one fact totally changes the story in the Phantom Menace, you know, where Palpatine really felt like a genuine good guy. Maybe I knew that because the Emperor's action figure included his real name? (I used to have that one
, I had all the villains and my brother had all the heroes, so I hd the Death Star and the star destroyer and he had the Millenium Falcon, and Han Solo in various costumes)Who the hell was Master Siphaderous (sp?)? You know, the guy that commissioned the clone army, and he had to have commissioned it about the same time the Phantom Menace was taking place. If you could just point me to a book or two that would have more information, that would be nice.
I really get the feeling he was Darth Maul, but it doesn't jive with Darth Maul's physical appearance.Check out my YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@davefancella?si=H--oCK3k_dQ1laDN
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
I saw Episode 3 in May so I can´t remember all details correctly (timeline...). I´m waiting for a DVD set with all the 6 films.
Fact is I liked it lot more than the 2 before. The best of all 3 new ones definitely.
As for your question with Master Sifo Dyas. I found this statement:
There are several opinions but no one can tell exactly. I always asked myself the same question. Let´s write a mail to George.
Fact is I liked it lot more than the 2 before. The best of all 3 new ones definitely.
As for your question with Master Sifo Dyas. I found this statement:
on this site: http://www.snowtroopers.ca/forum/index. ... eadid=4083Look at what is known.
Obi-Wan says that Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas died about 10 years previous. We know that 10 years previous the events of Episode I occurred. Since Lama Su asked if Dyas was still a leading member of the Jedi Council, one would believe that you would have seen Sifo-Dyas in the Jedi Council when Anakin was being tested (or in any of the other scenes in Episode I).
Qui-Gon was never on the Council, so it could not be him. Darth Sidious was only known to the Jedi as Senator Palpatine - they didn't even know he was Force sensitive, so he's also out.
That leaves three probable possibilities.
1) Sifo-Dyas was the alter-ego of a member of the Jedi Council during Episode I but missing in Episode II. Candidates here include Adi Gallia and Oppo Rancisis, among a couple of others.
2) Sifo-Dyas died, and was impersonated by someone else. This must have happened right around the time of Dyas' death or shortly before, as Obi-Wan's announcement of his death 10 years before would have aroused suspicion in Lama Su had communication with Dyas continued until recently. Candidates here include Palpatine, Dooku, possibly Qui-Gon, or the small rumor of Mace Windu.
3) George Lucas has a plot hole more confusing than trying to figure out whether Queen Amidala was really Padme or Sabe in any given scene in Episode I.
There are several opinions but no one can tell exactly. I always asked myself the same question. Let´s write a mail to George.
I pick option 2, and that they had also communicated with the same contact who identified himself as Sifo-Dyas. Lama Su obviously noticed that Obi-Wan wasn't expecting to find an army there commissioned for the Republic, and chose to conceal his suspicions. He's a businessman, and as long as the work is paid for and received, not much else matters, right? Anyway, I suspect that Palpatine made the arrangement himself, or he had Dooku do it. We don't know when Dooku became a sith lord, we only suspect that it was after Darth Maul's death.
But also, they're talking about stuff that happened 10 years before, and it's just as likely that the deal was done by Sifo-Dyas before the Phantom Menace, and then Sifo-Dyas was himself killed by Darth Maul to keep him quiet.
There are a few inconsistencies that could have been easily cleared up, but Lucas is safe to ignore, now that I think about it.
In Leia's message to Obi-Wan, she says "you served my father in the clone wars". We don't see anything of the sort, but we only see the beginning and ending of the clone war, we don't see any of the stuff in the middle. I realize there's a series of cartoon shorts to fill in the gaps, but the movies kinda need to stand without those shorts. But Bail Organa is obviously friendly to the Jedi and opposed to the Empire, so it's easy to see that maybe Obi-Wan did serve under him. Except that Alderaan is peaceful, they have no weapons, so why would Bail Organa be commanding a Jedi General in the first place? Obviously a broader interpretation is required. This is a hopeless nitpick.
I would have liked to see some cool explanation for the cave on Dagobah. Remember the cave! The dark side is there. That cave. Lucas can ignore it, it's not important, but it would have been nice if maybe they had killed Darth Maul there instead, or something like that.
In ROTJ, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother, and she does! She remembers her mother being very sad, and very pretty. This added a great deal to the drama of Darth Vader at that particular point. Are we now to believe that the very pretty and sad mother Leia remembers is her adopted mother, Mrs. Organa? Padme should have lived! They could have easily taken the boy from her, given them their own name, and sent him off somewhere, and let her keep the girl, marrying her to Bail Organa and setting something up (he would have had to have been single at the time) where it turns out that Bail was the father all along, and there was only ever one kid that anybody knew about. Ahhh, but the Emperor knew that Padme was carrying Anakin's baby, and it wouldn't have kept Leia safe, now would it? So instead we have this plot hole that can't really be resolved without losing that small part of the drama in Episode 6.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan made a big strategic error. They should have taken the Emperor together. Obi-Wan was certainly powerful enough to keep the man busy while Yoda tore him to pieces. Of course, Lucas isn't known for strategic planning, at least as far as his military moves go. In any case, it makes more sense for them to take the Emperor together, since they were already on Coruscant together. Then they could just lay in wait for Anakin to return, and then take him out. Instead, they divided their forces, unaware of the full power of either enemy (how powerful can they expect Anakin to be so soon after turning to the dark side?). And I wasn't satisfied with the lack of explanation of why Yoda was willing to admit failure when he had reinforcements available. He could've waited for Obi-Wan to return, then took another potshot at the Emperor. Wht would it have cost him? Besides possibly his life, of course. In any case, I'm thinking a quick operation. Yoda uses his power to mask their coming and hold the Emperor still. Obi-Wan only needs a second to cross the room and cut the Emperor to shreds.
And I seriously object to Darth Vader flopping around in anguish when he realizes he killed Padme. That's just not Darth Vader. Maybe that's Anakin, but he's not Anakin anymore. We already saw him crying over the villainy he had wrought, so we knew he wasn't turning into a sith lord easily, but it was totally out of character for him to act like that. Using the force to rip up the building was great, fine, well in character, all things considered. But yelling "Noooooooooooooooooooo" just wasn't.
On a side note, I mentioned after watching attack of the clones, to a guy who was my friend way back then (who I since had a serious falling out with) that it made perfect sense for Anakin to kill Padme. He told me Anakin would never do that, that he had to do the change to the dark side without doing that. I told him he had to kill Padme, or Padme had to die under circumstances that pointed to him to blame, because no man can complete the journey to the dark side when he has a good woman by his side. Wouldn't you know? That was the biggest part, first Anakin wants to save Padme, then he nearly kills her in anger, an act which leads to her death anyway, making him largely responsible.
Still, there's a few traits I find repulsive amongst these guys, all of them.
1. Anakin. Do I need say any more? Darth Vader was a cooler character before we knew anything about Anakin, I think Lucas blew it big time.
2. After chopping off Anakin's remaining organic limbs, Obi-Wan lectures him, then watches him burn, then leaves him for dead, but certainly a man of Obi-Wan's power knew Anakin was still alive. He needed to do one of two things. Either he needed to pull Anakin out and take him to a medical facility, under which circumstances he might have been able to pull him back to the light side of the force, or he needed to finish the job and make sure Anakin was dead. But nooo, he left him alive.
3. After giving birth to two kids, Padme, in her own selfishness, dies anyway. They make it very clear that she has lost the will to live because Anakin became a sith lord, but she should know better. Needing to survive for the sake of her kids, and to protect them from Anakin, and possibly to try to save Anakin are all things that a woman of her moral fiber and strength should have had, and done.
4. Try not, do or do not. There is no try. Yoda "tried" to kill the Emperor, and he failed. He did not "do or do not", he tried. Tsk tsk, Yoda ought to know better.
5. Windu should have known better than to assassinate the Emperor. While I agree with his decision and the reasons he made it, he needed to save the Emperor to stand trial. Nevertheless, once Anakin said "I need him", Windu knew all he needed to. He should have chopped off Anakin's head and then killed the Emperor, instead of vice versa. He didn't have any reason to trust Anakin at that point, except that Anakin had told him Palpatine was Darth Sidious, but that was it, and it wasn't a lot of good anyway when followed up with "I need him".
6. I still think the green girl with the tentacles for hair, you know, the Jedi girl that was slaughtered under the rock, I still think she's really hot.
But also, they're talking about stuff that happened 10 years before, and it's just as likely that the deal was done by Sifo-Dyas before the Phantom Menace, and then Sifo-Dyas was himself killed by Darth Maul to keep him quiet.
There are a few inconsistencies that could have been easily cleared up, but Lucas is safe to ignore, now that I think about it.
In Leia's message to Obi-Wan, she says "you served my father in the clone wars". We don't see anything of the sort, but we only see the beginning and ending of the clone war, we don't see any of the stuff in the middle. I realize there's a series of cartoon shorts to fill in the gaps, but the movies kinda need to stand without those shorts. But Bail Organa is obviously friendly to the Jedi and opposed to the Empire, so it's easy to see that maybe Obi-Wan did serve under him. Except that Alderaan is peaceful, they have no weapons, so why would Bail Organa be commanding a Jedi General in the first place? Obviously a broader interpretation is required.
This is a hopeless nitpick.I would have liked to see some cool explanation for the cave on Dagobah. Remember the cave! The dark side is there. That cave. Lucas can ignore it, it's not important, but it would have been nice if maybe they had killed Darth Maul there instead, or something like that.
In ROTJ, Luke asks Leia if she remembers her mother, and she does! She remembers her mother being very sad, and very pretty. This added a great deal to the drama of Darth Vader at that particular point. Are we now to believe that the very pretty and sad mother Leia remembers is her adopted mother, Mrs. Organa? Padme should have lived! They could have easily taken the boy from her, given them their own name, and sent him off somewhere, and let her keep the girl, marrying her to Bail Organa and setting something up (he would have had to have been single at the time) where it turns out that Bail was the father all along, and there was only ever one kid that anybody knew about. Ahhh, but the Emperor knew that Padme was carrying Anakin's baby, and it wouldn't have kept Leia safe, now would it? So instead we have this plot hole that can't really be resolved without losing that small part of the drama in Episode 6.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan made a big strategic error. They should have taken the Emperor together. Obi-Wan was certainly powerful enough to keep the man busy while Yoda tore him to pieces. Of course, Lucas isn't known for strategic planning, at least as far as his military moves go. In any case, it makes more sense for them to take the Emperor together, since they were already on Coruscant together. Then they could just lay in wait for Anakin to return, and then take him out. Instead, they divided their forces, unaware of the full power of either enemy (how powerful can they expect Anakin to be so soon after turning to the dark side?). And I wasn't satisfied with the lack of explanation of why Yoda was willing to admit failure when he had reinforcements available. He could've waited for Obi-Wan to return, then took another potshot at the Emperor. Wht would it have cost him? Besides possibly his life, of course. In any case, I'm thinking a quick operation. Yoda uses his power to mask their coming and hold the Emperor still. Obi-Wan only needs a second to cross the room and cut the Emperor to shreds.
And I seriously object to Darth Vader flopping around in anguish when he realizes he killed Padme. That's just not Darth Vader. Maybe that's Anakin, but he's not Anakin anymore. We already saw him crying over the villainy he had wrought, so we knew he wasn't turning into a sith lord easily, but it was totally out of character for him to act like that. Using the force to rip up the building was great, fine, well in character, all things considered. But yelling "Noooooooooooooooooooo" just wasn't.
On a side note, I mentioned after watching attack of the clones, to a guy who was my friend way back then (who I since had a serious falling out with) that it made perfect sense for Anakin to kill Padme. He told me Anakin would never do that, that he had to do the change to the dark side without doing that. I told him he had to kill Padme, or Padme had to die under circumstances that pointed to him to blame, because no man can complete the journey to the dark side when he has a good woman by his side. Wouldn't you know? That was the biggest part, first Anakin wants to save Padme, then he nearly kills her in anger, an act which leads to her death anyway, making him largely responsible.
Still, there's a few traits I find repulsive amongst these guys, all of them.
1. Anakin. Do I need say any more? Darth Vader was a cooler character before we knew anything about Anakin, I think Lucas blew it big time.
2. After chopping off Anakin's remaining organic limbs, Obi-Wan lectures him, then watches him burn, then leaves him for dead, but certainly a man of Obi-Wan's power knew Anakin was still alive. He needed to do one of two things. Either he needed to pull Anakin out and take him to a medical facility, under which circumstances he might have been able to pull him back to the light side of the force, or he needed to finish the job and make sure Anakin was dead. But nooo, he left him alive.
3. After giving birth to two kids, Padme, in her own selfishness, dies anyway. They make it very clear that she has lost the will to live because Anakin became a sith lord, but she should know better. Needing to survive for the sake of her kids, and to protect them from Anakin, and possibly to try to save Anakin are all things that a woman of her moral fiber and strength should have had, and done.
4. Try not, do or do not. There is no try. Yoda "tried" to kill the Emperor, and he failed. He did not "do or do not", he tried. Tsk tsk, Yoda ought to know better.
5. Windu should have known better than to assassinate the Emperor. While I agree with his decision and the reasons he made it, he needed to save the Emperor to stand trial. Nevertheless, once Anakin said "I need him", Windu knew all he needed to. He should have chopped off Anakin's head and then killed the Emperor, instead of vice versa. He didn't have any reason to trust Anakin at that point, except that Anakin had told him Palpatine was Darth Sidious, but that was it, and it wasn't a lot of good anyway when followed up with "I need him".
6. I still think the green girl with the tentacles for hair, you know, the Jedi girl that was slaughtered under the rock, I still think she's really hot.
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Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
jesus
i haven't seen that movie since it came out...
Big ups to University of Florida for winning the Outback Bowl.
i haven't seen that movie since it came out...
I remember that! that was VERY confusing! Almost as confusing as her near-impossible hairdos. I should watch those movies again) George Lucas has a plot hole more confusing than trying to figure out whether Queen Amidala was really Padme or Sabe in any given scene in Episode I.
Big ups to University of Florida for winning the Outback Bowl.
It wasn't cheesy until this pretender put it on for Revenge of the Sith.
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Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
Be the devil's own, Lucifer's my name.
- Iron Maiden
And the answer is...
To answer the question on Sifo Dyas I should have scrolled deeper....
I don´t think Obi Wan yould have been very helpful for Yoda if they attacked him both. Obi and Anakin couldn´t even handle Count Dooku so I think the Emperor would have whiped out Obi in a second and then turn on Yoda.
As for the cave on Dagobah I think this was just an illusion of the dark side created by Yoda to train Luke. Nothing more....
You´re very right about Padme Lucifer. Leia could never ever remember her and DAMN YES she could have fought for her life and her two children. Bad bad mother!
The female jedi is called Aayla Secura and I think she was blue wasn´t she? Indeed hot but blue. I prefer the dancing girl from Jubba´s palace that fell into the Rancor cave. She was hot!
and...This question is answered in the book "Labyrinth of Evil" by James Luceno, for which he had direct input from Lucas.
Sifo Dyas was indeed a council member, and in fact quite close with Count Dooku, and both had some misgivings about the way the aglaxy was headed. Dyas did in fact order the clones, and subsequently Dooku killed him to keep it a secret until the Sith wanted the clones to be discovered.
"Dooku's turn to the dark side began with the murder of Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas, his former friend and confidant in the Order. Assuming control of the plans Sifo-Dyas has set in motion to create a clone army for the Republic, Dooku saw to it that all mention of the planet Kamino was erased from Jedi Archives."
I don´t think Obi Wan yould have been very helpful for Yoda if they attacked him both. Obi and Anakin couldn´t even handle Count Dooku so I think the Emperor would have whiped out Obi in a second and then turn on Yoda.
As for the cave on Dagobah I think this was just an illusion of the dark side created by Yoda to train Luke. Nothing more....
You´re very right about Padme Lucifer. Leia could never ever remember her and DAMN YES she could have fought for her life and her two children. Bad bad mother!
The female jedi is called Aayla Secura and I think she was blue wasn´t she? Indeed hot but blue. I prefer the dancing girl from Jubba´s palace that fell into the Rancor cave. She was hot!
