Is Elon still as evil after today?

[kyle]

The clips are everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wzWLnA5qZA0

High. on. drugs.

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[Word]

@kyle how is sending the military into a protest on US soil gonna help innovation? Why did you guys never send some marines into a heavily armed MAGA crowd?

Also at this point what can former illegal immigrant Elon Musk possibly do so that you turn on him and not on current illegal immigrants? If it weren't for immigrants you probably wouldn't exist.

[Lucifer]

https://youtu.be/9ChIo3Ubdbo?si=twZZN_aK-j7Wlzae

It's time for liberals to arm. The civil war is coming, we need to be prepared

[sinewav]

The civil war is coming, we need to be prepared

It's will be short. MAGA types are reactionary and don't do anything other than complain, and on top of that they are heavily outnumbered. If violence starts these dumbasses will be paralyzed and bewildered by the swift and overwhelmingly forceful return violence. I've been trying to talk-down all my left-leaning gun-owning friends but honestly this is a normal reaction to authoritarianism.

[Z-Man]

The clips are everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wzWLnA5qZA0

High. on. drugs.

That is Highly edited, try again

This seems to be the full thing, the clip above seems to be taken right from the start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQOOq1i4gg
I'm not one to give remote diagnoses, but Musk does indeed not look very well there, he looks like a shriveled potato. I do feel for him a bit there. Often, when Trump is talking, the camera zooms on him, but never on Musk. Trump has his comfy president chair and Musk has to awkwardly stand around slightly behind him. No, I did not watch the whole thing, just jumped around a bit.

[kyle]

This seems to be the full thing, the clip above seems to be taken right from the start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQOOq1i4gg
I'm not one to give remote diagnoses, but Musk does indeed not look very well there, he looks like a shriveled potato. I do feel for him a bit there.

It's supposedly from that meeting anyway, but what sinewav sent slowed his motion way down to make him looked drugged, to me the neck movement at the start is just to stretch it, he had surgery on it not that long ago, Also for bonus, they were looking at the ceiling at one point, between 16:30 to 17:30

https://youtu.be/9ChIo3Ubdbo?si=twZZN_aK-j7Wlzae

It's time for liberals to arm. The civil war is coming, we need to be prepared

Wait, the Left wants guns banned, how's this possible they now want them?

@kyle how is sending the military into a protest on US soil gonna help innovation? Why did you guys never send some marines into a heavily armed MAGA crowd?

Also at this point what can former illegal immigrant Elon Musk possibly do so that you turn on him and not on current illegal immigrants? If it weren't for immigrants you probably wouldn't exist.

Elon was not an illegal immigrant, again more media attacking the worlds richest man (EDS), than actual substance. Even if their Fraud were true, he was not legal for under a year while visa was being renewed. These, non violent people, were never the people I was for deporting, I believe we need to set-up a pathway for them, but the left and right both go to extreme sides on this issue.

They are protesting against masked thugs in unmarked vehicles raiding workspaces to abduct people. When stuff like that happens, it's one of the signs you already are living under Fascism.

So it's not Ok to remove criminals or terrorists from society? it's better to just leave them be and eventually attack a nation? They broke the law, by not coming here legally, what other laws are they going to break? Again please take this with what I said before, I don't necessary claim the actions are correct, but I don't know the details of who they were after specifically, was it everyone that entered over the last fer years or just the violent criminals?

I haven't seen any video or pictures where active destruction and flag waving was happening at the same time.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1931896196836081975

[sinewav]

It's time for liberals to arm. The civil war is coming, we need to be prepared

Wait, the Left wants guns banned, how's this possible they now want them?

Typically, you are confusing left and liberals. They aren't the same. And even if they were, they are not a monolith. I'm not a liberal other than my advocation for egalitarianism. I'm a leftist, which by many definitions means gun advocacy. However, I'm also a pacifist so that overrides any pro-gun violence ideals. Maybe read some books, kyle? You seem to only know propagandized, straw-man versions of political and social reality.

[Lucifer]

It's time for liberals to arm. The civil war is coming, we need to be prepared

Wait, the Left wants guns banned, how's this possible they now want them?

Typically, you are confusing left and liberals. They aren't the same. And even if they were, they are not a monolith. I'm not a liberal other than my advocation for egalitarianism. I'm a leftist, which by many definitions means gun advocacy. However, I'm also a pacifist so that overrides any pro-gun violence ideals. Maybe read some books, kyle? You seem to only know propagandized, straw-man versions of political and social reality.

Also, wars aren't really won with guns anymore. What we're looking at is a bunch of unemployed scientists against a bunch of science deniers.

This is less a call to arms and more a parenting statement that you won't be able to handle the consequences, so please stop actively ruining the country. I agree with sinewav that it won't be a long insurgency. People who are obsessed with other people's genitals do not a fighting force make

[Z-Man]

I haven't seen any video or pictures where active destruction and flag waving was happening at the same time.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1931896196836081975

Yep, saw that one. There is also a video clip. He's just standing there, posing. The other one was with a guy on a motorcycle. Also note that this was AFTER Trump escalated by sending in the National Guard. But like I said, bad enough. Meanwhile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KfxDsFdwBM
Also, from later, short clips:
https://bsky.app/profile/tinadesireeber ... a3ywnnas2a
https://bsky.app/profile/kateculliton.b ... 52cum3222g
Looooooooong stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31vgfrF3bU4

https://youtu.be/qaZmZakFQek?si=5xE4_IdjAGYpjkth
YOU'RE NOT HELPING, FUTURAMA!

Anyway, I'm not in LA, you're not in LA, Trump did not visit LA, why don't we let the people who actually are there handle the situation and help them if they want help?

So it's not Ok to remove criminals or terrorists from society?

That would be OK. That is, however, not what ICE are doing. They have been given a QUOTA of arrests to fulfill. You know what happens when law enforcements gets quotas on, say, speeding tickets? They find people to ticket. Here, they are grabbing people off their workplaces, or when they attend a court appointment, because that's where they can more easily strike. They are targeting exactly the wrong people, and disappearing them. Relatives have a really hard time finding out where the victims actually are detained. ICE considers it subversion if activists hand out multilingual leaflets to potential victims that explain them their rights. They don't want their victims to know their rights so they can violate them.

Even criminals and terrorists have a right to due process, because that is how you find out they are criminals or terrorists. (Unless you catch them in the act, while they are an active danger, then immediate action up to deadly violence can be justified, of course)

They broke the law, by not coming here legally, what other laws are they going to break?

We had this before. Data shows illegal immigrants are, on the whole, less likely to commit further crimes than the average American. I can see two major reasons for that, first, the average American is already damn violent, and if you are already with one foot in jail or a deportation plane, you are likely going to be more careful.
Also, what is the law is somewhat arbitrary and determined by the state. Human character does not work that way. There are no two buckets, law-abiding citizens and lawbreakers. There are people who would never shoplift a pack of gums, but still commit tax evasion. Illegal immigration is just the crime of being in the wrong place. That is a very different bucket from any crime that would pose a real danger to society.
(Of course, SOME will come to your country explicitly for crimes. Selling drugs, mostly, I would imagine, but I don't know.)
Also, again, due process is still required. You got to convict them for the crime they actually are committing.

Again please take this with what I said before, I don't necessary claim the actions are correct, but I don't know the details of who they were after specifically, was it everyone that entered over the last fer years or just the violent criminals?

Well, answered above. Everyone. They even caught some US citizens by mistake. You'll have to google that yourself, I ran out of links

[kyle]

You seem to only know propagandized, straw-man versions of political and social reality.

I was joking about that comment I made, but the straw-man versions of politics is what typically plays out in the US government unfortunately, and I mean that in both ways and it effects all 3 branches. We have laws that were written in very specific ways, that can be interpreted both ways, They were very cleaver about this, to make it so if they moved positions on one thing, they could switch their stance on something. You have the judges basically bribed to take a side on something or act in a certain way. Even state levels have acted that way, Look into Kathaleen McCormick, a judge in Delaware, delaware has basically been controlled by Democrats for the last 10 to 20 years. She basically said Tesla shareholders votes don't count, because they are too dumb. That's lead to a lot of businesses reincorporating in other states. Mind you she was also the same one that said Elon could not back out buying twitter. There are also other cases where she sided with what the democrats wanted, rather than the honest decision.
It's all political law fare the the laws are set-up for and that's waht needs to end, We actually need meaningful enforceable laws rather than the political BS that we have. I think you would all agree with that. We do take different sides on some of what should be law and what should not be law.

Yep, saw that one. There is also a video clip. He's just standing there, posing. The other one was with a guy on a motorcycle. Also note that this was AFTER Trump escalated by sending in the National Guard. But like I said, bad enough. Meanwhile:

Yes, not saying that did not escalate things more, but there were violent protests prior to the national guard being enacted. It still does not give people the right to write all over building, cars and other property and set them on fire?

This legal Mexican immigrant is very pro trump on everything, and I don't agree with everything she says, but these do take you into the areas that got hit in LA, and she talks with some of them from all sides
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaDnzM938js - this one more or less interviews businesses that were hit by the protests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42myTm417hA - this one while rated mature content, interviews the son of one of those that got deported

That would be OK. That is, however, not what ICE are doing. They have been given a QUOTA of arrests to fulfill. Y

No they were given a list of illegal immigrants that have committed crimes to go after, so not a you must arrest some number, but only certain people, and Trump did mention after these protests, that if the crimes were many years ago, and the employees they have would vogue for them, they should be removed from that list, So the protests did end up helping, and this is more in line with what I felt is right.

Even criminals and terrorists have a right to due process, because that is how you find out they are criminals or terrorists. (Unless you catch them in the act, while they are an active danger, then immediate action up to deadly violence can be justified, of course)

I'll quote the grok summary I got for this one, but basically unless they where here for under 2 years, they had to have some sort of trial before deportation. I'm not sure If it is is actually happening or not, but if it is this is basically a way of expiating the removal of the criminals, getting asylum or not. There is a little backlash that they can arrest them when they show up for some court case, but by all means this is fair game, We had to have papers served to someone once and used this tactic. Interestingly enough, we ended up getting served by the city to help with their case against the person too. The person was a legal citation, just a big trouble maker.

Overview
Criminals apprehended by ICE usually have a court hearing before deportation, ensuring they get a chance to contest their removal and seek relief, like asylum. This is part of the standard legal process to guarantee due process.
Standard Process
Typically, after ICE arrests someone, they enter removal proceedings in immigration court. A judge reviews their case, and ICE can only deport them under a lawful order, often after a final removal order is issued.
Exceptions
However, there are cases, like expedited removal, where individuals might be deported without a hearing, especially if they’ve been in the U.S. for less than two years without lawful status. This usually applies to recent arrivals, not necessarily criminals already in the country.
Recent Context
There’s been debate about enforcement tactics, with some reports of arrests at courthouses after hearings, which can affect how people perceive due process. Still, for criminals with records, the court hearing is generally standard.

Well, answered above. Everyone. They even caught some US citizens by mistake. You'll have to google that yourself, I ran out of links

I trust you on this one without deepsearch groking, it's bound to happen. ( For stuff like this I use deepsearch because it pulls the most recent stuff)

[Z-Man]

Yep, saw that one. There is also a video clip. He's just standing there, posing. The other one was with a guy on a motorcycle. Also note that this was AFTER Trump escalated by sending in the National Guard. But like I said, bad enough. Meanwhile:

Yes, not saying that did not escalate things more, but there were violent protests prior to the national guard being enacted. It still does not give people the right to write all over building, cars and other property and set them on fire?

No. Especially, local businesses should be left alone. Doing any harm to them is just plain stupid, they are run by people you should care about and people you should care about are customers there, you are just basically hurting yourself there. That applies to graffiti on shop windows and fronts.
However, graffiti on government buildings is, in this case, a justified form of protest. Keep in mind, these people are protesting government agencies that violate basic human rights. These violations weigh a lot more than a bit of paint.

That would be OK. That is, however, not what ICE are doing. They have been given a QUOTA of arrests to fulfill.

No they were given a list of illegal immigrants that have committed crimes to go after, so not a you must arrest some number, but only certain people, and Trump did mention after these protests, that if the crimes were many years ago, and the employees they have would vogue for them, they should be removed from that list, So the protests did end up helping, and this is more in line with what I felt is right.

Do you have sources on any of that? Especially the amnesty for past crimes, and employers being able to vouch for employees. That sounds very uncharacteristically kind.

There is a quota. From earlier this year:
https://nypost.com/2025/01/28/us-news/t ... s-per-day/

Upped to 3000 recently:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ices-t ... 025-06-10/
Now, this is not official communication, but apparently Stephen Miller explicitly just wants the numbers to go up and does not care about picking out the most criminal people.

They do seem to have an app that helps them find likely arrestable people, I guess that counts as "they were given a list".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68278.html

Even criminals and terrorists have a right to due process, because that is how you find out they are criminals or terrorists. (Unless you catch them in the act, while they are an active danger, then immediate action up to deadly violence can be justified, of course)

I'll quote the grok summary I got for this one, but basically unless they where here for under 2 years, they had to have some sort of trial before deportation.

The people put into that El Salvador prison did not get any of that.

There is a little backlash that they can arrest them when they show up for some court case, but by all means this is fair game

Maybe (not a lawyer), but do you think catching those who try to work with the system and follow the rules is going to catch the bad apples?

[kyle]

However, graffiti on government buildings is, in this case, a justified form of protest. Keep in mind, these people are protesting government agencies that violate basic human rights. These violations weigh a lot more than a bit of paint.

So January 6, 2021 was justified?

Do you have sources on any of that? Especially the amnesty for past crimes, and employers being able to vouch for employees. That sounds very uncharacteristically kind.

I guess it was just something Trump said in passing, not very clear, more or less they are not going to focus on those that are working in certain low paying industries, not necessary amnesty

But just a reminder ICE does not even have to find them they can self depot, and that helps if they do wan to come here legally https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation

It's too early to tell, but deportations under Trump are far fewer than those under Biden, we'll have to wait until the years full numbers come out.

Reading all the quota stories, makes me feel like the media is trying to make it look bad, since Trump has a target in mind on how many he wants out, but again, there must be that many in the app that can be deported because they are not here legally.

[Word]

How does bashing up policemen, hunting politicians and smearing shit inside parliamentary rooms equal damage of property and graffiti protest? One from your camp just shot 4 people and killed 2 so maybe that should give you pause if the comparison is appropriate at all and who you are considering terrorist. And whatever happens, soon we all are gonna have some more actual refugees from Iran.

[Z-Man]

However, graffiti on government buildings is, in this case, a justified form of protest. Keep in mind, these people are protesting government agencies that violate basic human rights. These violations weigh a lot more than a bit of paint.

So January 6, 2021 was justified?

The parts where they graffitied up the Capitol, maybe. But also keep in mind they were disrupting a legitimate democratic process based on a lie propagated by your current President... so that knocks their justification down a peg.
Did they even do graffiti?
Anyway, honest question: Do you want to be taken seriously? Because again, you equate things that are simply not on the same level.

I need to go back a bit, because you complained about the slowed down video of Musk:

Elon Musk is not a NAZZI, The same hand gestures have been done by many people in recent years, but somehow they are not Nazis

Steve Bannon did the same gesture, no surprise there. Check the other persons you saw. I bet you saw just a photo. A somewhat outstretched and raised arm, with a flat hand, is part of many other gestures and movements that are very distinct from the Nazi salute. Including:
- Being about to hug someone way bigger than you
- Pretending to be an airplane
- Doing the sweeping hand like the king telling his son that one day, all of this will be his
- Demonstrating how big the bear was you were facing in the woods
In a video, you would see the difference clearly. Don't let yourself be fooled.

This legal Mexican immigrant is very pro trump on everything, and I don't agree with everything she says,

Yeah, you better not Watching the two videos you linked got her into my recommendation lists, and the next thing that came up was her promoting a conspiracy theory I won't repeat, but that can be readily debunked by a satire piece:
https://www.der-postillon.com/2024/01/a ... ogeld.html
Think of that site as the German version of The Onion. It was not really established in 1845, but convinced at least one AI it was... I posted the original link so you can pick your own translator. Google translate works fine.

Do you have sources on any of that? Especially the amnesty for past crimes, and employers being able to vouch for employees. That sounds very uncharacteristically kind.

I guess it was just something Trump said in passing, not very clear, more or less they are not going to focus on those that are working in certain low paying industries, not necessary amnesty

About two days ago, ICE was ordered to leave farmworkers and some other group I can't remember in peace. I guess Trump noticed those are crucial to keep the economy running.

But just a reminder ICE does not even have to find them they can self depot, and that helps if they do wan to come here legally https://www.ice.gov/self-deportation

What a lovely word, self-deportation (<- sarcasm). There was a process for illegals to turn themselves legal, the CBP One App, just that the Trump administration completely canceled that, not just for new people entering, but also for everyone in the program already. I would not trust that this will help with reentering legally. Well, maybe under a different president.

Reading all the quota stories, makes me feel like the media is trying to make it look bad, since Trump has a target in mind on how many he wants out,

They don't have to make them look bad, they are bad, self-evidently. You can't put quotas, or targets, does not matter how you call it, on law enforcement work and expect good results. You'll just throw out the hard-working, (apart from the immigration thing) law-abiding, tax-paying ones out first. The deportation targets were one of Trump's campaign promises, right? I think he may have shot himself in the foot there. But who knows, his fanbase seems to be ok with the other lofty promises he isn't on track to keep.

[Monkey]

Is Elon still as evil after today?
Yes.

kyle, you still haven't noticed that your sources of "information" come from x.com/twitter/whatever and grok? They are biased because they are owned by Musk. I don't understand how you can't grasp this concept. You really need to broaden your horizons.

My mother and I said to each other, as soon as Musk and Trump came together (not so many moons ago), that they would soon fall out with each other as they are both narcissists. Looky what happened. The key word here is "narcissists". Narcissists only care about themselves. If you look at how Musk got to where he is, he did a lot of it by being a complete c**t. You are very naive (as are some others here too) if you think that Musk was purely manipulated my Trump and that he's a good solid guy. He's not, he is saying and doing things differently now for reasons of money and power only. He is a liar and you are a fool for constantly believing him.

kyle, if you ever get the chance in your lifetime, I strongly suggest you visit some other countries and see what is really going on in the World. I'm not being patronising here, I'm serious; it's the best way to learn facts. I've been to many countries and mixed with many people from those and also other countries. Doing this has really opened up my eyes to the truth about World issues.