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hi everyone :)

my last post was 5 years ago. it's curious to me that the most active post here is about politics, and it seems to be a mostly productive conversation amongst some wonderful people of my past.

it's encouraging to see that this community is trying to have a discussion based on fact rather than emotion. I hope you're all doing well.
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Hello Ratchet, nice to see you! Hope things are going great for you!
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Oi ratchet! I'm doing great, so far very happy with what Trump's team is doing, It's going to be great for so many hard working Americans, it will actually bring back earning the American dream rather than having it handed to all people from anywhere.
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kyle wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 4:00 am Oi ratchet! I'm doing great, so far very happy with what Trump's team is doing, It's going to be great for so many hard working Americans, it will actually bring back earning the American dream rather than having it handed to all people from anywhere.
Right now it's just going to result in thousands of new gig workers choking up the system.
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kyle wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 4:00 amso far very happy with what Trump's team is doing, It's going to be great for so many hard working Americans, it will actually bring back earning the American dream rather than having it handed to all people from anywhere.
quick list
- lots of dead people in poor countries https://archive.ph/Rm3eA
- measles making a comeback
- throwing Ukraine under the bus
- making your future life much more expensive and dangerous in general thanks to whatever he does to destroy the "Deep State", downsizing all public services that control private businesses and hostile powers, e.g. food inspectors, the CIA, and the like.
- exposing all of Europe to Putin's hegemonic fantasies.

Yeah, that'll sure lower grocery prices. Why didn't any previous administration think of all this before and implement it in 2 months? Why did we waste 80 years to promote mostly democracy and peace when two guys can tear it all down in a press meeting?
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Word wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 7:20 pm - lots of dead people in poor countries https://archive.ph/Rm3eA
- measles making a comeback
- throwing Ukraine under the bus
- making your future life much more expensive and dangerous in general thanks to whatever he does to destroy the "Deep State", downsizing all public services that control private businesses and hostile powers, e.g. food inspectors, the CIA, and the like.
Measles, Mpox, all started because of a harmful COVID vaccine, that was forced by the Biden administration, this made more people not want to get their children vaxed,

We are only getting rid of the waste in the departments, the people carelessly spending the taxpayers money, and those listening to what private companies want, that are not really safe for us. Like how the FDA is bribed by the oil industry to allow for a by-product of gasoline production to be used in our food coloring,

As for the other two(and I don't think anyone actually died from it, news tries to blow stuff they don't like up), Give a man some fish, he'll keep asking for more fish for life, teach a man for fish he will be set for life. Also why can't Europe foot most of the bill for Ukraine, why does it always have to come from the US?
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kyle wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:33 amAlso why can't Europe foot most of the bill for Ukraine, why does it always have to come from the US?
From what is publicly known, Europe already spends more than the US.

Did you watch the news recently? Like, how both Macron and Starmer had to fact-check Trump on the spot for claiming what you just said? E.g. here:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/ma ... =119157061
https://www.thedailybeast.com/uk-prime- ... -his-face/


Also, basic history. Putin isn't a friend of liberal democracies and neither is Xi. If they can expand their territory and occupy a place that directly affects grain supply to Africa and India, that means most of the countries there have to turn elsewhere to import grain. If you also shut down USAID/climate change countermeasures you paid for and so on, and you possibly, needlessly precipitate the death of at least thousands because you don't give them time to "learn to fish", as you would put it, that will further estrange these countries, and some of them will accept help from Russia and China, making everything from the food on your table to your car more expensive.
Yours is also a simplistic view of a globalized world where multiple rich nations already meddled in the affairs of poorer continents during the age of colonialism and now you somehow want a continuation of that, also less refugees, but with the US out of the picture. Ironically, "teaching how to fish" was what USAID was for. Now Russia and China will teach it.
Measles, Mpox, all started because of a harmful COVID vaccine, that was forced by the Biden administration, this made more people not want to get their children vaxed
US Covid death rate vs that of other wealthy countries, NY Times
https://archive.ph/i7CX2
We are only getting rid of the waste in the departments, the people carelessly spending the taxpayers money, and those listening to what private companies want, that are not really safe for us. Like how the FDA is bribed by the oil industry to allow for a by-product of gasoline production to be used in our food coloring,
Any other examples? A quick google search reveals this ban was already underway during Biden: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... rcna183095

edit: Oh, and that Trudeau speech.
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Don't waste time typing responses, he's too insulated from the real world.
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sinewav wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 10:11 pm Don't waste time typing responses, he's too insulated from the real world.
The real world is amazing, you should open your eyes to it.

Word, use a source that is not biased by funding from the woke left government. The greedy _____ at those media organizations will do anything to lie and be dishonest as their funding keeps dwindling. Like the Covid stuff you linked, I'll agree at face value it looks like it supports your claim, but there are several other factors that go into the extra deaths, maybe it's Americans obesity problem leading to more deaths overall, maybe it's failed treatment methods, maybe it's because the media made them so fearful they lost their minds, and were washing all their cardboard boxes of food, with bleach before bringing them inside (I wish I saved that clip, I think it was on a CBS Sunday morning) The point I am getting to is correlation does not imply causation. And yes, I had several family members have heart related issues after getting the covid shots.

Also, per capita, using the numbers in your report, the US is still vastly funding the killings of solderers from both Ukraine and Russia, The deaths need to stop. why do we need to waste all these lives, because some commanders keep sending them in to get killed, while likely stealing a portion of the aid for personal benefits?
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kyle wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:41 amthe woke left government.
This is how I know you are brainwashed. I would absolutely love a woke left government. Instead I live in a capitalist hellhole where corporations write the laws for exploiting the population and reaping the benefits of a two-tierd justice system.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
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sinewav wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 9:22 pm Instead I live in a capitalist hellhole where corporations write the laws for exploiting the population and reaping the benefits of a two-tierd justice system.
Yet Biden amplified this two-tiered justice system, allowing illegal criminals in to commit horrible crimes, like raping and killing kids, letting them go only to come back and do it again, If i raped a kid, and killed them I'd be in jail for life.

Democrats showed their true colors last night, by holding up signs claiming "Elon Steals", Ya we know DOGE is shutting down the money they were funnelling for themselves. He's getting the money back they stole and they make claims like that. They only had the heart to stand up and exit, could not even give that kid that got honorary secret service member a standing ovation. What a disgracefulness party.

The unions bought the democrats, and any bill the pushed forced for union jobs, and I've seen first hand how lazy the unions have made society. I don't believe every bill should have conditions that it creates union jobs. Drop union and I'm good with it, even put a minimum wage (maybe even maximum wage) on it. but get rid of that corrupt Union, they are thief's (look at the past UAW presidents).

I like the roadmap Trump laid out, they will have to execute on it, but as far as I am concerned, Democrats have lost my support for now, once the house cleans the funds they've been funnelling away, maybe they will regroup and realize they need to get back to the principals they once stood for, and stop the two-tiered justice system that they've put in place, stop walking criminals in, and actually have plans to support an environmentally sound future, for anyone, instead continuing to attack the man that has lead companies to do the most good for humanity, (i know you disagree with that, the brainwashing cycles the democrats have done to you have somehow gotten you to believe them instead of going to the source and seeing for yourself.) For instance Starship flight that was supposed to be Monday, you could clearly see Elon going over to help the team through the issues that came up during the countdown. He gave them space to try to solve it, but he also came over when it was crunch time, and the hold did get listed, but other issues came up. This is what leadership looks like.

Let me clarify this to you a last time, There are a lot for policies democrats claim to stand for, that I do think are good, but the way they support them is in the ways that they can get rich, and if you oppose them they abuse the court system, call you a nazi, or other names. they are demoralizing people, who hate to be challenged. I'm not saying that Republicans don't do the same or have not done the same, both sides of this need cleaned out. I'm also not saying I'm a fan of all the republican policies, I'm a fan of common scene and common sense leans toward Trump. Also I don't care what race sex or religion you have if you are able to do the work, or able to be trained to do the work you are hired. and as far as Trans goes, Trump said it best last night when talking about kids.

so many people have lost the drive to do good quality work, for this idea of just show up to exist.
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kyle wrote:Word, use a source that is not biased by funding from the woke left government.
If you simply copy paste your last reply into chatgpt, chatgpt will tell you that you're basing your opinions on false assumptions or mischaracterizations at least 3 out of 4 times, emphasis by me. I recommend you go there yourself and ask for its sources. Or you could ask how the Trump administration will improve/worsen your life.
First, the idea that Biden has created a “two-tiered justice system” that allows criminals to roam free is simply not supported by facts. Under Biden, illegal border crossings have been met with increased enforcement, including the use of Trump-era policies like Title 42 and expanded deportations. Crime committed by undocumented immigrants is actually lower than that committed by native-born Americans, according to multiple studies. No one—Republican or Democrat—wants violent criminals on the streets. The justice system has flaws, but blaming one party for all of them oversimplifies a complex issue.[comment by Word: Yes, sinewav brought up the "two-tiered justice system", but it remains true that Biden isn't to blame personally for every issue that has troubled the US for at least 3 decades. Here's the thing kyle: About every criminologist will tell you that "stronger borders" don't result in less crimes. You're actually committing a much larger crime by not letting people in. To curb the crime rate, you need gun control as well as complicated socio-economic law and police reform, but you can't fit that as a motto on a bumper sticker.]

As for the claim that Democrats didn’t stand to honor the child who became an honorary Secret Service member, that’s incorrect. Many Democrats did stand, and the event was widely respected across party lines. It’s easy to focus on moments of division, but both sides have a history of selectively showing or withholding applause at political events.

Regarding unions, it’s fair to critique corruption where it exists, but unions have historically played a key role in securing better wages, safer working conditions, and job security. The idea that they have made society “lazy” ignores the fact that union jobs often require highly skilled labor, and many non-union workers benefit from the wage standards they help set. Attacking unions as a whole instead of calling for reforms where needed dismisses the legitimate benefits they provide to millions of workers.

You mention Elon Musk and suggest that Democrats oppose him because he’s doing "the most good for humanity." Musk is a brilliant businessman, but he’s also a billionaire who benefits from government subsidies and labor laws—many of which Democrats have supported. Criticizing Musk isn’t the same as attacking innovation. It’s about holding powerful people accountable, just as we should for politicians or union leaders.

Finally, I agree that we need leaders who promote personal responsibility, high-quality work, and an environmentally sustainable future. But Trump’s policies—such as rolling back environmental protections and rejecting climate science—don’t align with that vision. You suggest Democrats have lost your support, but their policies on healthcare, workers’ rights, and climate action are still very much about protecting average Americans. If Republicans offer better solutions, they should be debated on their merits, not based on political tribalism.

I respect that you value common sense, but I’d argue that common sense doesn’t lean toward any one politician—it leans toward facts, fairness, and policies that actually improve lives. If we strip away the partisan labels and focus on real solutions, we might find more common ground than you think.
I'll write your response for you and encourage you to continue the conversation with the AI: "But that's because ChatGPT is fed with leftist propaganda"
I get that criticism a lot, but the reality is that my responses are based on a broad range of sources, including academic studies, government data, and reporting from across the political spectrum. If you think something I said is factually incorrect, let’s break it down—what specifically do you disagree with, and what evidence supports your view?

I’m open to a real discussion, but just saying "it’s left-wing media" dismisses the argument without actually engaging with it. If the facts support your point, I’ll acknowledge it. But let’s talk about facts, not just assumptions.
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kyle wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:33 pmDemocrats have lost my support for now
Democrats never had my support. You are under the illusion that Democrats are "left". They aren't, they don't stand for any leftist policies. Your problem is you don't know what "left" is or what leftists believe. You are fed a bunch of nonsense by right-wing propaganda and can't see that Democrats are just Republican light. Both of them are owned by capitalists, it's only the Democrats that talk about left policies without actually doing anything leftist. Literally both major political parties are corporations! Also, leftists don't want unions because unions don't accomplish the goal of erasing systemic inequality. The fact you are talking about unions reinforces my claim you are clueless. There is a whole world of political thought out there and you haven't even touched the surface.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Also, it must be a strange feeling coming here and seeing the entire board has suddenly become a bunch of communists, right? Maybe you're the problem? Absolutely brainwashed.
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kyle wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:33 pm They [Democrats] only had the heart to stand up and exit, could not even give that kid that got honorary secret service member a standing ovation. What a disgracefulness party.
Well, even if that were accurate, Musk and Trump just cut funding for cancer research, shows how much they really care.

kyle wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 10:33 pm (i know you disagree with that, the brainwashing cycles the democrats have done to you have somehow gotten you to believe them instead of going to the source and seeing for yourself.)
That 'going straight to the source' is listening to people telling you how great they are. Facts: Right wingers lie, a lot. They lie to you about problems, they lie to you about how they can fix them.
kyle wrote: Tue Mar 04, 2025 3:33 am Measles, Mpox, all started because of unfounded fear of a harmful COVID vaccine, that was forced by the Biden administration, this made more people not want to get their children vaxed,
Fixed that for you :) Anti-Vaxxers existed way before COVID, and the mRNA vaccines were pretty safe, certainly safer than getting infected without the vaccines. Even looking at just the most prominent unusual side effect of the vaccines, the heart muscle inflammation: The virus did the same thing, more often (about twice as often) and with worse outcomes (up to people needing heart transplants).
Now, the AstraZeneca Vector Virus vaccine was found to be not safe enough, but it was pulled as soon as that was discovered (the incidence rate was way too low for the problems to have shown in any clinical study), which shows you that the system works as intended.
But yes, in retrospect, even limited vaccination mandates were misguided. We had them here, too, for healthcare workers. They were crafted while it was believed the vaccines would also prevent transmission, which was true for the original virus variant (demonstrated in studies), but not so much later for the mutations.

Measles are nasty. Vaccines are well established and safe, there is literally no sane reason not to vaccinate your kids, at least until the virus is completely eradicated. Which WAS in sight. Parents who don't vaccinate their kids think they're only selfish ("Why should I put *MY* child in danger to protect others?"), but really, they're just... some variety of stupid.
kyle wrote: Wed Mar 05, 2025 1:41 am maybe it's Americans obesity problem leading to more deaths overall
That's certainly a big contributing factor, obesity increased your risk of bad outcomes.
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Word, Read my claims, then read what CGPT wrote, most cases it switched away from the claims I was making into something similar, but not directly the point I was making.
Word wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:04 am As for the claim that Democrats didn’t stand to honor the child who became an honorary Secret Service member, that’s incorrect. Many Democrats did stand,
I think 1 stood, so 1 is many now? watch it, CGPT is great at making up it's own alternative narrative when it has no clue about the event at all.
Z-Man wrote: Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:58 pm Musk and Trump just cut funding for cancer research, shows how much they really care.
We will have research soon, just pulling away from places that 80-90% of the funds are going to support administrative costs rather than research, so many places are inefficient at using the the money we spend. I guarantee you once the Ukraine war funds get audited, we will find records of them not receiving a significant portion of them. They likely got them, just claimed they did not or claimed the did but were damaged. Ponzi schemes like this to then take the "unreceived" or "damaged" items out of inventory, (to make money of of) have been going on for decades.
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