Katrina

Self_Destructo · Post by **Self_Destructo** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:59 pm

Lucifer wrote:Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live, whosever lieth with the Beast shall surely be put to death.

Correct, but this cannot be done in the letter of the law today, it has to be done spiritually. And whosoever lieth with the Beast is talking about spiritual adultery with the world.

Sabarai wrote:a true Christian wouldn't make up a story and blow it up and write it down 500 years after the concerning event, and then taking 1000 years to complete it. Why did it take so long? Why didn't they write it down at the beginning?? Why do people call everything they don't understand God?

Where are you hearing that? That is not how the Bible came to be. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Who I am sure can remeber everything and can bring it to those men's mind. I don't have time to fully explian how the Bible came to be.

Sabarai wrote:Imagine: Space Shuttle exploding. Scientists can't find the error, so they say to the public: Well, God didn't want us to go to the ISS so he blew up our Space Shuttle. Isn't that the biggest bull you've ever heard?

Nope. There is a reason for everything, and that could be it.

Sabarai wrote:FACE IT...

Actually, you need to FACE IT.

Phytotron · Post by **Phytotron** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:38 am

OK, so, to repeat myself, SD is plainly, patently, undeniably, f'ing nuts. He reveals more and more of it every time he posts. We've gone from extreme fundamentalist insanity, which we already knew, to this wacko conspiricitis. Now, I'm a capital-S Skeptic, associated with the Skeptics Society, and we believe in trying to counter this kind of incredible irrationality and ignorance with education and so forth. But when I come upon someone like SD, whose mind is so thoroughly entrenched in what would otherwise be considered psychotic delusion were it not so popular, I'm compelled to throw my hands in the air, call him a loony, and walk away, hoping against hope that he doesn't spread his irrationality too far. So that's what I'll do. It would require far too much time, energy, and information to attempt to parse and correct his claims. So why bother? By the way, has anyone seen his website? Art Bell would be proud.

So, I just make a couple comments on a couple comments.

Lucifer wrote:Right, because Bush's idea of problem solving is "throw money at it".

I think you have it backwards. A large part of what led to this mess is the fact that Bush's idea of problem solving is to take money away from programs—unless it's the military or corporate welfare (though, they cut quite a bit from the military as well, but only the human side; e.g., the VA, salaries, and the now-infamous body armor). It also doesn't help that they moved FEMA from being an independent agency to being under the control of the Fatherland Security Dept., with a director appointed by virtue of political favor, and its budget cut.

microbus wrote:I thought this topic was about Katrina, not about religious beliefs

Well, you see, that's what separates your forums from these. Here, free-thought and expression (and even brainwashed zealotry), as well as debate, aren't generally squelched and censored by a bunch of scared, pollyannaish web-totalitarians.

Besides, SD initiated the digression by implying that New Orleans deserved it, a victim of his god's wrath.

Self_Destructo · Post by **Self_Destructo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:49 am

Oscilloscope wrote:OK, so, to repeat myself, SD is plainly, patently, undeniably, f'ing nuts. He reveals more and more of it every time he posts. We've gone from extreme fundamentalist insanity, which we already knew, to this wacko conspiricitis. Now, I'm a capital-S Skeptic, associated with the Skeptics Society, and we believe in trying to counter this kind of incredible irrationality and ignorance with education and so forth. But when I come upon someone like SD, whose mind is so thoroughly entrenched in what would otherwise be considered psychotic delusion were it not so popular, I'm compelled to throw my hands in the air, call him a loony, and walk away, hoping against hope that he doesn't spread his irrationality too far. So that's what I'll do. It would require far too much time, energy, and information to attempt to parse and correct his claims. So why bother? By the way, has anyone seen his website? Art Bell would be proud.

Wow, I copied that so I could have it the rest of my life. BTW, The Bible ssays that us Christians would be a peculiar people. I AM ONE!!!!!!!!!!! YAYAY!!!!!!!!!!! lol

OK, guy's. I done.

For now.

TiTnAsS · Post by **TiTnAsS** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:53 am

To each his own. Thats why ive stayed out of this convo..id actually prefer to branch the thread to Yet Another God debate...this is about new orleans and katrina etc

Post by **Lucifer** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:03 am

I guess I should add some things since I didn't write the complete thought.

Oscilloscope wrote: So, I just make a couple comments on a couple comments.
Lucifer wrote:Right, because Bush's idea of problem solving is "throw money at it".
I think you have it backwards. A large part of what led to this mess is the fact that Bush's idea of problem solving is to take money away from programs—unless it's the military

Right, because Bush's idea of problem solving is "ignore it until thousands of people are dead, then throw money at it". Which is exactly what happened to the twin towers as well. Notice we're not saying much about Sudan/Darfur?

Besides, SD initiated the digression by implying that New Orleans deserved it, a victim of his god's wrath.

Actually, with all due respect, silly-boy, you made this implication.

Phytotron · Post by **Phytotron** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:07 am

Nah, I asked if anyone had heard Fallwell or Robertson say such a dastardly thing. Then SD confirmed my suspicions a little later. But, ok.

And yeah, right about coughing up the deserved money—after it's too late and the entire country is pissed and bringing enormous pressure against him.

Self_Destructo · Post by **Self_Destructo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:10 am

Lucifer wrote:
Besides, SD initiated the digression by implying that New Orleans deserved it, a victim of his god's wrath.
Actually, with all due respect, silly-boy, you made this implication.

Yes, I meant to imply that. And no, I don't know if those 2 guy's had said that or not. I don't watch tv or listen to anything. But I do know that several preachers in my area (including my dad) has said that.

TiTnAsS · Post by **TiTnAsS** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:47 am

So how old are you SD, your very stubborn..

Self_Destructo · Post by **Self_Destructo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:49 am

18

. I am not stubborn. I am just going to stick to what I know is right.

TiTnAsS · Post by **TiTnAsS** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:50 am

Don't force your beleifs on other people. I've seen to many of these god debates in these forums.. weve heard the same thing over and over again we know what you beleive now stop

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Self_Destructo · Post by **Self_Destructo** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:58 am

TiTnAsS wrote:Don't force your beleifs on other people. I've seen to many of these god debates in these forums.. weve heard the same thing over and over again we know what you beleive now stop ...

I haven't forced any of my beliefs on anyone here. I am just staing my case like everyone else here does. And did I not say that I was done? Hint: look a few posts up.

TiTnAsS · Post by **TiTnAsS** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:50 am

I was talking to everyone here.... not only you

microbus · Post by **microbus** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:59 am

Well, you see, that's what separates your forums from these. Here, free-thought and expression (and even brainwashed zealotry), as well as debate, aren't generally squelched and censored by a bunch of scared, pollyannaish web-totalitarians. Besides, SD initiated the digression by implying that New Orleans deserved it, a victim of his god's wrath.

and that's the nice thing about the internet.. there's something for everyone, and not every website is the same... woohoo!

I remember when I was a host on msn 10 years ago, and you had
to host according to a schedule. Sometimes it got so frustrating, I'd
purposely go into Compuserve just to argue with people lol. Each of
those was different, just as every forum site is different.

So, Dest, if Katrina was God's wrath, then why? He doesn't like the
Mardi Gras? Or is it Bourbon Street? What's next, tidal wave on
England because He doesn't like the Queen? Or a major earthquake
in Moscow because he doesn't like their politics?
It was a freaking act of nature, which happened because of various
factors, including but not limited to, air currents, ocean currents,
low and high pressure systems, and the earth's rotation.

Phytotron · Post by **Phytotron** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:49 am

microbus wrote:It was a freaking act of nature, which happened because of various factors, including but not limited to, air currents, ocean currents, low and high pressure systems, and the earth's rotation.

That is to say natural, physical phenomena (real), not god (fiction).

Frankly (like I really need to insert this adverb), the very notion that some god would unleash horrible death and destruction indiscriminantly upon a bunch of poor people (largely brown in skin tone), most of whom even count themselves as his disciples, as well as ruining his own creation in the form of the resulting ecological havoc, all because of what is seen as others' moral transgressions is fundamentally disgusting, contemptable and obscene—truly obscene. Anyone who holds such a twisted mentality should be absolutely ashamed. There is no morality whatsoever found in such a view, and to promulgate it qualifies as abject immorality.

microbus · Post by **microbus** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:40 am

And in Revelation, it says that God will destroy by fire, not water,
as that already happened with the Noah stuff

So if, as Dest says, it's God's wrath, it's not in sync with what the
Bible says.