god, lucifer & other sh*t

[deja_vu]

On God's existence, my proof relies on private revelation

How do you know it was really your god, and not something like Allah's compatibility mode?

[Lucifer]

On God's existence, my proof relies on private revelation

How do you know it was really your god, and not something like Allah's compatibility mode?

Or LDS.

[Sabarai]

or... WE'VE ALREAYD DISCUSSED THIS ONE SO SHUT IT it's driving me MAD

[Jonathan]

Then don't read it.

Edit: Didn't mean to be harsh, and giving some reasons makes it sound stupid...

[TiTnAsS]

I completly agree with Sabari...showing your ignorance in front of veiwers should be something you frown not do for fun... When tank gets back i hope he locks this stupid topic...

[Sabarai]

Edit: Sabarai or Sab or thingy or what's-his-name or you-know-who or the-sick-dutchie, ANYTHING except Sabari or Sabaria plz..

Thank you.

[n54]

I disagree with you all

=== noderunner n54's guide to sensible religion v.2.0 ===

1. Never treat God as a person/human being except for artistic purposes (not in a discussion), neither do so with any supporting cast in symbolic stories unless, perhaps, when they're specified as humans.

If you do then go back to reading superhero comics, you won't lose out on anything by doing so as the two fulfill the same need for you. I.e. if you don't see a difference anyway then why not discuss Superman instead? Please don't say "because he is/is not real" as that's just your statement.

2. The reason for the use of "him" as a replacement for "god" is nothing but language based in almost all instances.

This is simply how most (indo-european) languages are used.

3. Never believe you know anything absolutely for sure, no matter how strongly you believe.

Humility, both towards god and other people, is the most frequently missing part in both religion and other types of ideology - actually it applies to the entire human race. A nice sideeffect of this is that you wont stagnate as easily as otherwise; your mind will be open.

4. If you get stuck on an issue let it go.

Don't think yourself into oblivion (people can die from this), taking a long break from thinking about something you can't figure out is the best way to eventually figure it out - squeezing your brain only makes it hurt. Some questions simply take time figuring out and need to "simmer" for extended periods.

5. There is a reason believing in God is called a belief (or conviction, or faith).

It is because it is a subjective opinion which cannot be proven or disproven interobjectively. No different really than saying that one believes somebody loves somebody else: you wouldn't be able to prove that using good science, but you are still able to use reasoning, rationality, and logic to support your claim to convince others that you are right but these things are not in themselves any kind of scientific proof.

6. Science can't falsify (test) unscientific questions.

Science is totally irrelevant in regard to non-falsible questions like "Does God exist?" The fact that science can't create a falsible experiment does not mean that whatever subject in question does not exist. To give a boolean explanation; such questions neither have a 1 value nor a 0 value but a NULL value, science simply can't say anything about it.

7. Never believe you are actually managing to follow this guide 100% so don't use it against anyone but yourself.

Yes that's right, don't use or interpret this guide as an argument, just as something that might give us all something to think about. It can both spawn and extinguish heated discussions.

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What I believe:
- there is a god and it is at least meta-universal (which implies meta-dimensional) and likely transcendental (in the meaning that it is
more extensive than the physical universe)
- free will and fate are not contradictional terms from the perspective of such a transcendental (in the sense used above) entity because such an entity has a presense at least in part outside time and space which means that it can have the viewpoint of everything and "everytime" at once in one single instant
- omnipotency includes yes and no both being true at the same time about the same thing if so needed (if this wasn't true of the concept omnipotency then it wouldn't be omnipotency in the first place then would it eh?)
- science and religion are not inherently contradictary: science can't prove religion and religion can't prove science, neither can they disprove each other
- "belief in science" or "faith in science" is too often being unintentionally used as an oxymoron by those uttering the statement although the statements in themselves are correct since science never gives 100% absolute answers (i.e. science isn't reality itself, it is a model of reality)
- human religions have to be viewed in context (both historical, cultural, and political)
- the brain is there for a reason, use it to the best of your ability
- I don't take the possibility of an afterlife as a given whether or not there is a god or not, nor that if there should happen to be an afterlife that it neccessarily means a continuation of individuality. Still personally I believe the latter is slightly more likely in at least some sense of individuality.

and last but not least:

- humans will in all likelihood never be able to truly understand god in the same way that an abacus never will be able to "understand" a 10GHz cpu: different architectures, different load/speed/size, even though both are similar in "image" (mathematical operations with the potential to build logic statements)

[Lucifer]

I still think LDS is the best explanation.