The PM History

[Word]

Where do you get the idea someone is enraged when posting a description of what you are and what you do?

[ConVicT]

Where do you get the idea

I read what you wrote and thought "outburst", how else

[ConVicT]

Anyway, Word, I'd like to point you here, and ask you: Why aren't you staying out of this whole thing?
If I were you, I'd be keeping out of this, you didn't get banned, but maybe if you think Durf should've, then you think you should've?

[Word]

Fortunately, you're not me. Please answer questions like that on your own from now on, then post.

...

There are 6 (!) links to earlier posts where I defended Durf as long as his behaviour was similar to mine. Do you ever realize how stupid your entire premise/thought construct/attitude here is and that others and I just reply because we think maybe at some point you will?

Leave alone that I already was banned for a day a few years ago, along with a few others. And in retrospect I think we made less of a fuss than Durf even though we would probably have had a stronger case (but I also think it was an acceptable measure from the moderators' point of view - that we were perhaps asking for it - hey þsy!).

[Z-Man]

Guys, quit bickering about pointless things or I'll have to start handing out short bans to let you cool down.

[Amaso]

Guys, quit bickering about pointless things or I'll have to start handing out short bans to let you cool down.

Now this lazy fvck wants to be a mod?

[Magi]

You all need hobbies, like playing tron for example.

[TaZ]

Just some cringeworthy things I wanted to note for those who, like me, are not going to read this novel.

#1
"Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:52 am Post subject: The PM History"
The fact that this is still continuing from December 2014

#2

The only thing that soul said that could remotely be classified as "transphobic" is this:
Soul wrote:
Lucifer has an obvious bias due to all of the shemales he supposedly knows (and perhaps is????).
Now let's analyze that for it's relation to the definition.. Lucifer HAS stated his bias clearly for all to see. If Soul comments on that as a means of showing how one could be bias, how is that transphobic? Using the term "shemale" isn't transphobic either as BY DEFINITION Lucifer would be one.

The fact Durf is defending Soul.

#3
http://gyazo.com/04bb18a208359ed91dd0568ed7c48ed0

#4

Oh what's this? Nothing from Z-Man? Figures...
He's so unreasonable, even playing by his own rules.

No explanation needed.

#5

Judging by your overall incompetence and the rate of development being done, chances are you haven't updated phpBB in a while. Which means (most likely) there are vulnerabilities that allow me to gain control of the founding administrator accounts (ID: 0 - probably Tank's account). Even if this exploit has been fixed, there's plenty more at my disposal that grant me just as much.

My overall point: I'm not threatening you, this is assurance. Don't abuse your moderator status on me, ever. If you or Lucifer do something that stupid again, I will not hold back at all next time (you will see just how much I gave to you this time around in retrospect).

No explanation needed.

#6

Z-Man's claims are merely an attempt to cause enough hype to grant him "reason" to ban without an actual reason. Like I said, even if a large portion of the community wanted to ban me...on what grounds? Because you all dislike me? Because I've committed a social faux-pas? If you can't prove your reason to someone else without having to rely on their emotional reaction to a misinterpretation you've had, then you have no valid reason to ban. This is the exact kind of intolerance that kills a community.

No explanation needed.

#7

Take back your hacking threat and I will try to read some ow what you wrote as deescalation attempts.
This has to be your next post. Since you do not understand that what you did was wrong, a simple "I will not hack the forums" is enough.
Hacking a forum is WRONG. There is no scenario where it can be justified. It's not self defence.

That is a warning. Not the first one. We cannot tolerate the presence of someone who would hack the forums. If you do not comply, I have no choice but to ban you.

The fact Z-Man is being overly compassionate to someone who threatened the forums

#8

typo

Showing us even mods have metaphorical footprints.(they also have metaphorical sweeping brooms).
I suspect other sided people have the same rights, undeclared rights.
Still have my suspicions 'bout this.

I'll start snipping what I can and post the pics... You'll all see.

Just.....what?

#9

Guys, quit bickering about pointless things or I'll have to start handing out short bans to let you cool down.

Now this lazy fvck wants to be a mod?

This kid.

#10
The following people: Word, Convict, Soul, Amaso, AP|Nelg

[Maldor]

gj Taz, the most boring response ever, i didn't even care to read half of that bullshit

[/dev/null]

Best thread ever.

Also since we are posting durf pms, hes been nothing but cordial to me.

Instead of breathing new-life into a 10 day old thread, I've decided to PM you my post.
For more than one reason, either of us might want this to remain private:

Please don't take this as a personal attack, since it was originally intended for public eyes (my words are directed to the general public...mostly).
I don't necessarily have anything against you, and I think it's better to keep it that way. Hopefully you feel the same. (keep in mind I don't know your history)

My post:

If you have to start a sentence with "Off-topic" in your post, you probably shouldn't be posting it.
In your case, it is my opinion that hate speech is completely useless; no one cares that much about who you hate (or why).

I think part of what makes tron (and its sub-communities) die out is the pointlessness of such conversations.
I understand that a conversation can diverge into many topics of discussion, some on-topic while others not so much.
However, my point is that people should be, overall, nicer to each other.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all"
(That includes feeling the need to complain about insignificant matters; unless it's constructive criticism, your criticism has no place)

I think the reasons why many of the older tronners are still around is because they were met with welcoming attitudes.
It's nicer to have people say "Hi" to you than not. (and certainly better than hate)

I said it before and I'll say it again:
Durf wrote:
After all, intimacy is better than enmity or animosity.
Tron needs some loving.



A little effort towards being nice can go a long way.

^ All this being said, yes, I know I'm not perfect either. Doesn't hurt to remind others though.

End of post


If you think it's a good idea to post publicly then perhaps I will.
Although no response is necessary, lemme know if you want it posted publicly.

Have a good one

Interesting..I never really considered the lack of representation on the forums to be that big of an issue; perhaps you're onto something.

Do you have any ideas on how we (the Armagetron community) might fix that?
I mean, being a cynical asshole has it's advantages (I know because I can be one sometimes).
You might be able to see things in a way that others cannot; and, if that can help improve the overall tronning experience, then by all means, point out what needs to be fixed (and start doing something about it, others will help if they see it successfully started).
..but I'm sure you know all that already ;P

I don't think I've had enough interactions between luke-jr and myself to say any valid opinion. Though, I don't doubt that he has caused you trouble in the past (otherwise you wouldn't feel towards him the way you do...makes sense).
Same goes for you, I don't know you well enough to say good or bad, but it seems that much of your frustration is relating to how tron could be better but isn't. (that is a weak opinion based on minimal observation, I could be wrong).
Anyway, like I mentioned above, I think your point of view could be an asset in the overall improvement of Armagetron.

Personally I don't think you need to abandon the forums, but that it is your choice and you would probably know what's best for you.

Though, if I may suggest:
If you want to change public opinion in your favor, I recently learned that being charming or charismatic basically means to lie.
Meaning, if you chose to stay on the forums and wished for people to like you, I would suggest re-reading a post before posting and changing your demeanor to an overall more positive and supporting one.

If you don't care that you may be hated (and that hate may propagate itself throughout the community) then I suggest embracing the role of that 'scapegoat' with the understanding that you will be hated for what you say.

If you feel you are already a hated scapegoat and you wish to be seen otherwise (redeem the name /dev/null), then as painful as it may be, I suggest posting a public apology for any past transgressions and a little paragraph or something saying your intent to be a different person. The general public seems to like giving second chances and a single post like that can renew their faith in a player. If they believe the poster is willing to change for the better, they will support it.

...
Anyway, I'm sure I've rambled on long enough.
In case anything I said was offensive to you, I truly didn't intend it to be; my brain works in weird ways and I'm always problem solving so I might come across as condescending sometimes. It is not my intention to disrespect you, only to offer help if I can (take it or leave it, it's all good man).

All in all, it will be sad to see another tronner leave, but c'est la vie.
Hope to see you around some more!
TTYL

Hehe, you're still charming in an entertaining way.

That's overall sad to hear... and yea I don't know how people could have let tron get like this. I, too, was around back in the day (some 10 odd years ago, prob more now), so I've seen it in stable territory. Though it wasn't much at the time, it did what it was supposed to.
*sigh*

Although as long as the project remains open source there should still be some hope:
A group of Fast Track players have recently gotten together to form the FTL (FT ladle team) and on their forums there have been thorough discussions on how to improve tron; a few are willing to learn c++ just to make things happen (including myself).

So as far as improving the game goes, it will eventually be taken care of by someone that cares enough about the game they play to get off their ass and do something about it...even if it has to be me :s

That being said, I've been slowly doing what I can to spruce things up around here and there, even though I don't know any c++. It started with my website: http://durf.tk/
This year I haven't added much to the site; been making tons of new server ideas happen.

Though, one relevant thing I did this year was the creation of "Gridder".
(It's like a Twitter, but made for tron! No registration required! Uses global IDs!)
That was my attempt at creating a simple yet effective communication website for all the sub-communities to get together (no more having to register on yet another forum site just to be able to PM someone); with a modern style of conversing, simply 'greet' your message with the relevant #hashtags and the posts are automatically linked.
I haven't actually gotten around to finishing it or releasing it yet, though it is basically finished enough for beta testers...in case you're interested you can check it out here: http://durf.tk/g (if you don't trust it, just make a new global id at aagid or something as a demo account)

I planned on taking that one step further too, by allowing players to post to Gridder in game via many servers (if you see a greet on the website, it will mention where its from; a server name would replace "Gridder"). I planned on having it in such a way that users never had to use the website if they didn't want to (all interactions possibly from in-game). Furthermore, I had intentions to experiment with a chat room that is linked to online server(s) so that people using a website can interact almost seamlessly with those in-game.

So perhaps this (when it's finished) can patch a few of those holes; connect some of those disconnections, as it were.
Maybe later next year I can start diving into c++, who knows..
I do know that I have quite the to-do list planned for myself.

So don't lose faith brethren! There will always be people willing to do some good for the game they love ;D

Gotta say though, your attitude is entertaining at times. Your PM made me smile for all sorts of reasons xD Good stuff (at least one of us is enjoying this )

[/dev/null]

thats just a sampling of durf being a perfectly reasonable human being.

[Durf]

lmao, k, just caught up to this thread xD

@Z-Man: I don't understand your request (demand?).
As far as I can tell, no threat was made. I am willing to talk about it more thoroughly to get to the bottom of it but you don't seem to be willing at all.
I agree, hacking a forum is wrong (albeit security testing is different; I'm specifically noting that unauthorized access through "hacking" is wrong).
I don't think I ever claimed that I would hack the forums in self defense...but assuming that I even made a threat, and assuming it was about hacking the forums, then what would it be in self-defense of exactly? It's not like I outright said that I was going to hack anything (even if I said "hack" which I didn't). Saying that anything isn't good enough to be "self defense" because it itself is threatening is like the argument "is murder still evil if it is to save more lives?" (because murder is still murder). Being that dismissive is just unreasonable either way; put simply, you never thought of the possibility that I would actually have to defend myself; you dismissed it entirely. Shall we talk about the unjust ban? Shall we talk about how you were too unreasonable to finish a dispute? There's plenty of reasons, and the PM chain which you "cherry picked" from is my final attempt at appealing to your sense of reason before I was forced to assume that you never had any intent on working things out; you wanted to make an enemy. You should know this already though - this has just been some kind of social game to you. You refused to work things out; you were the one to make the choice and force my options.

I don't see a point in continuing that particular topic with you. But as I said, I don't understand your request. I find your lack of response to my post(s) to be unreasonable, and your approach to be unreasonable. I don't understand what you're even warning me for...a misunderstanding in language? Am I not allowed to speak in a way that "threatens" you? I don't get it...

Also, what happened to talking about my "slanderous claims"?? <-- Answer this. Are you so unreasonable that you cannot address the actual topic of the thread?

While we're waiting on the current discussions between Tank Program, Z-Man, Lucifer, and myself to develop a little more, I'd thought I try something that you might relate to.
Since there's plenty of trolling and Z-Man has previously admitted that he doesn't mind (or care), I figure I might give this "trolling" a try:

Did you add in the typo?

(lol is that trolling? Did I do it?)




@ConVicT vs Ratchet: pls...I've noticed some strange goings on around here as well, and have piled up a list of suspicious characters for various reasons. Now it's not all about sock puppets, but when you think of someone's hand being up another's ass...same thing.
"Conspiracy" is a term being used to disguise cyber bullying, a form of targeted abuse, as well as abuse of the forums (favoritism).
You cannot dismiss cyber bullying or favoritism (basically a corrupt forums site) by playing the "oh they're just a conspiracy theorist" card.




@Word: In the end nobody cares about your edits, they care about how you try to sound like you even know what you're talking about, but can't seem to just say it the first time. It's the fact that you need to edit what you say so many times that makes me want to say: stop trying to cover up bullshit and try not bullshitting in the first place.
You misread (didn't pay attention to) what ConVicT wrote. It happens. Are you afraid you'll be banned for it or something? And what? Are you upset because he didn't treat you like a child that is just learning how to read? Frankly, that would have been patronizing. Nobody will care in the end about how you made yourself look like a fool with that contradiction about who is terrible at reading. What will be remembered is how you keep on doing things like that.
Like cherry picking...what did he cherry pick from? You made a contradiction and he pointed it out with relevance. I'm only being reinforced in my opinion that you're a complainer. You'll complain about a post being too long and says it needs to be concise, but when the post is actually concise, you say they've cherry picked. >_>
It was an emotional outburst. It's pretty obvious. Again, your emotional outbursts are not all that important. "But I didn't outburst!" in a hissy fit will be more memorable to everyone than if you had just had your one emotional outburst and left it at that. But seriously, it's not even an important issue; when have your emotions ever done anything of use for this website?
Further contradictions: telling people to say something half-way substantial, and all your posts from page 7 on (haven't checked before that) haven't your own requirement.
Oh and don't forget this bit of gold:

I defended Durf as long as his behaviour was similar to mine.

Who needs a shovel when you can just drop a bomb like that and dig yourself the biggest grave you'll ever need?




@Taz: Yea, your post was kinda pointless...and off topic? This was all about refuting my claims that Z-Man was abusive. Please go through the thread again, and perhaps then post your findings on the topic of discussion.


@Everyone else that posted since my last post: lol

[Tank Program]

albeit security testing is different

NO IT IS NOT.

The ONLY time a security test is acceptable is when it has been SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED. Any attempt that penetrates or attempts to penetrate seucurity when not requested IS HACKING.

http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtop ... 27#p292327

THIS IS YOUR ABSOLUTELY FINAL WARNING ON THE SUBJECT OF HACKING DURF. ANY MORE POSTS ON IT AND YOU WILL BE BANNED.

[/dev/null]

Its not like he can hack you ******* anyways, let him try. He will get it out of his system and stop being hilariouslt bad everything.

If they arent ok with you attempting them, im fine with you throwing yourself on the castle walls.

http://go.lookitupongoogle.com

[Tank Program]

Durf has been banned.