@Phytotron, I shouldn't have to tell you the same thing I'm going to tell to dinobro. Stop your hate filled propaganda. In short I am for real. No amount of trolling whatsoever. The proper course of action would be to quote me and show everyone how exactly I am showing:
ignorance, myopia, irrationality, incoherence, absence of empathy, and just plain stupidity
..Making blatant insults and claims on what I've posted (as if they were fact) without any proof or empirical evidence is nothing more than harassment. You are entitled to your opinion, but you could simply say you disagree if you have nothing else of value to say. Publicly trying to tarnish my name with your empty accusations will only make you seem like more of an ass.
I should be able to post my opinion here without having to be directly insulted by disrespectful ignoramuses (that is my opinion of those who cannot have a civil discussion).
@Amaso.: You raise a VERY valid point (assisted by Monkey). If a team name is put up to this much scrutiny, and a forum name "Hitler" was indeed renamed forcibly, then it stands to reason that Lucifer should be forced to rename as well. It can be VERY offensive to many religious people. Think of how many people won't even try to play a corrupted and demonic game? (Moderator associates with the devil; some Christians are told to avoid bad associations by their God.)
I'd like to see what Lucifer has to say about this, as any defense he has for his name is defending a team name like "N4zi" to be able to exist (just as his name exists without problem).
To be clear, I support the freedom to represent yourself how you choose.
@Monkey, Thank you. For everything you posted. Saved me replying to Word (and Vogue). WD.
@Tank Program: I shouldn't have to ask more than 3 times for the harassment against me to stop, and STILL have my requests for a more peaceful thread be ignored. Funny thing is, I never got any warning for my alleged "sexism" (which I'm still trying to discuss with Z-Man; it was unjust)...so how is it fair that dinobro (and Phytotron) are allowed to continue? I suggest you take action against someone who can't listen to a person asking to stop harassment. Clearly a reasoned approach has already failed.
@Lucifer & .Lightning: If you don't want any part in it, don't take part in it.
I believe that prejudice and racism is a real issue, just like sexism is. And just like sexism, it is
not only one-way. By definition (the good thing about concise wording), it is capable of existing both ways (probably not in equal amounts). Yes, everyone knows that some Nazis were very racist, and during war times many crimes were committed - that doesn't mean that you are unable to be racist against them, nor does it mean that they would deserve it.
Point is, this is about the difference between "prejudice and negative discrimination against tronners using the name 'N4zi'" and "banning offensive material".
If you have a valid point to offer, then post. If all you're going to do is complain, why are you here? There is a real issue that should be discussed in order to prevent unfair treatment (of anyone). Like I said though, if you don't want any part in it, then don't participate.
(Also @Lucifer, refer to my reponse "@Amaso.". I'd like to see what you have to say regarding what Amaso. and Monkey posted.)
@Vogue, you're not helping anyone. Not your enemies, not your friends.
Also, you are the one comparing a political view to mass murderers...not all Nazis were (or are) criminals.
Your prejudice against them needs to stop. Bringing religion into politics won't help either.. If the goal is to make the discussion more convoluted, then you're on the right track.
@Johnathan:
Yes, Nazism "technically" "hates" "Jews" (at least before the war it did). But that doesn't mean that Nazis or Nazism = genocide. Nor does it mean that anyone who is Nazi performs such acts (not all Nazis are criminals, not all Nazis kill). What you are feeling is prejudice. Negative emotions based on a preconception your formed from history (rather, the parts that were taught to you) and what you see in TV and movies. The "problem" isn't that they act out the associations (whether or not it's just a joke)...the "problem, is that YOU don't like Nazis based on what YOU think they are. YOU want to disallow a tronner to name THEIR OWN TEAM a name they want because YOU have bad feelings over a word...a single word. I'm not defending Nazism nor am I condoning it. I'm clearing up the difference between complete bias and what is actually harmful to others.
As I said in another thread, if the word gets you so worked up, why aren't you complaining about TV or movies, History books, and this thread itself? This thread alone mentions the word "Nazi" more times that the team name "N4zi" would appear on people's screens over the course of the ladle. Consider why you're allowing it to occur here, but not there. (clue: it's context. You're purposely interpreting a negative context for the team name)
Furthermore, I don't pretend I live in a vacuum where nothing means anything, rather I'm aware that any one thing can have multiple meanings. Far from naivety, it's the realization that one doesn't have to make a complete ass of himself by making assumptions on what means what. Just because I play "Devil's advocate" from time to time, it shouldn't mean I myself should be condemned for the position I'm discussing.
When you say "going full Nazi?", you have no proof that they are Nazi or even trying to associate themselves as REAL Nazis. It could be merely for shock value. Why is that reason to ban it? Really, all desires to ban it are based on the preconceptions you carry around with you.
@Gonzap, I'm glad you see who is just here to hate. Even after I've been asking for this harassment to stop.
Either the moderators will show some integrity, or favoritism. The harassment is just attempts to silence me when they have no reasoning or logic to do the work for them...sad really that they resort to hate.
Though, I find it sad that you couldn't enjoy an online game with actual Nazis. THAT being said, using a team name "N4zi" isn't necessarily a declaration that the tronners who are in the team are Nazis IRL. They are tronners. Just like you. Whether it is because they thought they are being cool or not, shouldn't matter. You should be able to play a game
without going all "Nazi" on them for being "N4zi".
My overall point is, relax it's just a game. (playing with Nazis doesn't mean you support or condone their customs; and playing with "N4zi"s doesn't have to mean you are playing with Nazis).
@takburger, you realize you're talking about tronners right? Not actual Nazis?
It's just a team name...People seem to be forgetting that. And even if they were REAL Nazis...what are they doing to this community? Participating in ladle? OH NOES! Seriously though...what crime is being committed?
You are getting so caught up in trying to protect what is right that you lost sight of what's actually happening here. Don't get so worked up over the word "Nazi", this is tron, we're dealing with a team name (as others point out about forum names, there is plenty to get offended over, but why would you when you can have the understanding that you're just playing a game together.)
Playing with Nazis (or fake "N4zi"s / trolls trolling) does NOT mean you support or condone Nazism IRL. You are the only one making that relation, and that is the cause of you feeling offended by the name.
@dinobro: I thought I asked you to stop the hate. Stop the hate-filled propaganda you post in an attempt to besmirch me.
Frankly "everyone" isn't telling me that I'm "wrong" (per se). We are discussing in detail our own view points on the matter (thread title). And even if it was "everyone" that had an opposing view point than me, no one seems to be able to offer any real case against the name being allowed (one that isn't based on prejudice). It's certainly not being stubborn as I would have to lie...genuinely lie, to be able to agree with you. If you want me to agree with you, convince me. Teach me.
I never claimed to be smarter than anyone here, and I'm certainly not trying to prove that. My position on this should be clear:
I'm supporting everyone's individual freedom to represent themselves how they want. (which means if people had a problem with "Dino", I would be defending your freedom to name yourself what you want) I'm not condoning hate or offensive material, I'm only questioning what is actually offensive.
Like I've said in my previous posts, I'm sorry that I cannot be concise enough for you. Though I don't expect you to see anything other than "bullshit posts"...I understand that sometimes things I say would just go over your head. The least you could do is quote me where I don't make sense. And show everyone.
Spreading lies won't help you succeed in besmirching me though.
