Olympics 2012

[Fonkay]

Every man is religious whether he believes in God or not.

Bull.

The Bible calls it muder.... and it says life starts at conception.

Good for the Bible. It's a book, written by a bunch of solitary monks about 1000 years after 'Jesus' supposedly walked the earth.

hmm, so if a person is in a coma. Without any perception of the 5 senses. --Taste, sight, hearing, smell or touch .

Have you ever heard the term "pull the plug"

If you've ever let a woman give you map directions, you will know what im talking about.

So you're not only an idiot, you're sexist too?

[Sabarai]

Welcome to the forums Fonkay.

Don't be so agressive, and Matrox is just right man, I've seen it. My dad sets the GPS system on the man's voice so he knows he's going the right way (serious, the woman's voice once sent us wrong)...

[Fonkay]

Thank you.
I'm sure that's not how he meant it.

[Jonathan]

Try to prove that God exists. Try to prove the opposite. There are positive and negative arguments (which can mean the opposite seen from the other side) but no proof (what is a proof here anyway?). I hope you're not wondering why people believe something.

And I don't think God and science collide... (edit: I mean science, not what they say sometimes )

[Fonkay]

At what point did I go against people beliefs?
I stated that not everyone is religious, because I am not.
And I stated that the bible was written by monks, and that it is a book. which are both true statments.

[Sabarai]

Jonathan, don't dodge the proving thing... (bewijslast ontduiken)

The liability of The Bible is that it is written over a period of 1000 years by people who've heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories from people who heard the stories etc etc... And of some things in the bible has been proven that they can't have happened/are not true.

[TiS]

You sayin Jesus walked on a sandbank?

[LETE]

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Theorem: 1 = -1 .
Proof:
 1    -1
--  = --
-1     1

       1            -1
sqrt[ -- ]  = sqrt[ -- ]
      -1             1

sqrt[1]   sqrt[-1]
------- = -------
sqrt[-1]  sqrt[1]

1=-1 (by cross-multiplication)

I just put that up as code to preserve my formating. But anyway, thats a proof, if anyone was wondering.

[Lucifer]

Killing little babies is wrong. Absolutely wrong. There is no other way to put it. The Bible calls it muder.... and it says life starts at conception. Also, none of you (the believers in abortion) can prove your points scientifically. Science proves that that thing is a baby at conception. God gives it a soul at conception. Those babies have a one of a kind character at conception. And that becomes visible later in the pregnancy.

Did I misread my own posts? *None* of my arguments are based on whether or not the baby is to be defined as "life". The scientific definition of life that I learned when I was in school a loooong time ago wouldn't have included children because they can't reproduce, anyway. Anyway, I don't see how you can ask us to "prove our points scientifically" and then start telling us about God giving us all souls at conception.

Science isn't about proof. Scientifically speaking, nothing can ever be proven or disproven.

A lot of it is based upon your religious believes. Every man is religious whether he believes in God or not. If you don't believe in God then you most likely believe in evolution (which is pure religion too). In which it teachs us that there is no point in life, that just because a baby isn't viable on it's own it doesn't deserve to live (oh, by the way, are you viable stark naked on the north pole????), and that there is no one we should look up to but ourselves.

I get sooooo sick of people telling me "If you don't believe in God, you believe in <this>". Do you like being such a bigot? Pull your head out of your anal cavity and look around, God doesn't have a monopoly anymore on "true believers". IN fact, Satanism is still growing, iirc. I've been told that since I don't believe in God that I worship everything from money to myself, and now you're throwing evolution on the pile as a 'religion'. Religion, near as I can tell, is the only thing that requires "proof" outside of mathematics. Since the theory of evolution is just that, somebody's hypothesis that has a growing body of evidence to support it, I don't see how it can be classed as religion. Is there a code of laws or morals associated with the theory of evolution that I'm not aware of?

[Phytotron]

There's little point in debating (if you can call it that) with zealous, uneducated fundies like SD. He's been mind-******. Each of his statements is patently absurd, and each would require half a page (at the least) to sort out even superficially. That's too much of a hassle for me, and I fruitlessly expended my energy on it back when I was on AOhelL, to no avail. That's why I roll my eyes and walk away.

I do want to point out one thing, however. In science, "theory" is not defined as simply a hunch or a guess -- that is the colloquial usage of the word. In science, a theory is defined as an explanatory model based on a veracity of empirical, predictable, experimental, reproducible evidence. In science, a theory is as good as it gets -- colloquially, it's as good as a fact.

Evolution is both fact and theory. Fact: evolution happened and continues to happen. Theory: how it happened and continues to happen.

Gravity is "just a theory." Germs are "just a theory." Plate techtonics is "just a theory." Etc., ad nauseum. Fact of the matter is, evolution is arguably the most extensively verified natural phenomenon there is, even more than gravity; likewise for the theories supporting its occurrance. It undergirds all of biology, as well as numerous other fields. Nature and science don't make sense without evolution.



I'm done.

[Tank Program]

I'd like to remind everyone that this whole thing is off topic and to please, play nice.

[Jonathan]

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Theorem: 1 = -1 .
Proof:
 1    -1
--  = --
-1     1

       1            -1
sqrt[ -- ]  = sqrt[ -- ]
      -1             1

sqrt[1]   sqrt[-1]
------- = -------
sqrt[-1]  sqrt[1]

1=-1 (by cross-multiplication)

I just put that up as code to preserve my formating. But anyway, thats a proof, if anyone was wondering.

-i is not equal to i

[Lucifer]

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Theorem: 1 = -1 .
Proof:
 1    -1
--  = --
-1     1

       1            -1
sqrt[ -- ]  = sqrt[ -- ]
      -1             1

sqrt[1]   sqrt[-1]
------- = -------
sqrt[-1]  sqrt[1]

1=-1 (by cross-multiplication)

I just put that up as code to preserve my formating. But anyway, thats a proof, if anyone was wondering.

-i is not equal to i

There is no -i though. sqrt(-1)^2 = -1, not -i. What he winds up with is a false statement, offered in the form of a proof. Anyway, there's a flaw in his proof.

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sqrt[1]   sqrt[-1]
------- = -------
sqrt[-1]  sqrt[1]

+-1           i
------- = --------
   i            +-1

i^2 = +-1 * +-1

i^2 = -1 * 1        i^2 = 1 * 1       i^2 = -1 * -1     i^2 = 1 * -1
-1 = -1               -1 = 1               -1 = 1               -1 = -1

[LETE]

(good, got them hooked. prays we stay on this subject now.)

[Jonathan]

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Theorem: 1 = -1 .
Proof:
 1    -1
--  = --
-1     1

       1            -1
sqrt[ -- ]  = sqrt[ -- ]
      -1             1

sqrt[1]   sqrt[-1]
------- = -------
sqrt[-1]  sqrt[1]

1=-1 (by cross-multiplication)

I just put that up as code to preserve my formating. But anyway, thats a proof, if anyone was wondering.

-i is not equal to i

There is no -i though. sqrt(-1)^2 = -1, not -i.

You made the assumption that if:

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ad   bc
-- = --
bd   bd

then:

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ad = bc

for complex numbers.