Bowl 2 Discussion

[Titanoboa]

Where did y'all get 150 from?

Just want to point out that a score limit change would make a huge difference and we should avoid it if possible.

[vov]

Just want to point out that a score limit change would make a huge difference and we should avoid it if possible.

If it's about switching settings mid tourney: with the setting "access_level limit_score 7" and a little trust in the team leaders (they can change the score limit then) it should work.
If it's about why to change it: It's something different, that's all. I got the idea from Bytes 2 posts above my first one here, and I liked it
(plus 1x150 is longer than 1x100 but not as much to drag out the tourney for too long)

[Concord]

it seems very awkward to me to have different version of fortress being played in the ladle and the bowl. 150 pt limit is like if the champion's league they played 135 minute games, or if in the NBA playoffs, they played 6 12-minute quarters instead of 4. it's just weird.

[sinewav]

it seems very awkward to me to have different version of fortress being played in the ladle and the bowl.

Agreed. I can't think of a popular professional sport where something fundamental changes about the game in the playoffs. The only difference is usually "more games" not "different score/time."

We need to somehow incorporate best of 5 into the finals. I think be best course of action is to make Bowl the top 4 teams only, then make all the rounds best of 5. Here is why I think this is a good idea:

This should avoid the feeling of exclusion some people had, like half of us got to play and the other half didn't. Most of us won't play, haha. We will sit back and eat chips and drink soda/beer while watching some tough Fortress. The Bowl won't feel like the Ladle, especially for the teams playing. It will be just the good parts of Ladle and no opening round where some team might show up or not. One of the ideas we had about Bowl was a hope that keeping track of performance would stimulate the smaller, weaker teams. I don't think this was accomplished. Phoenix tried hard but couldn't break into the Bowl, RoadRunnerZ's success seemed to be driven by Ladle-lust and not a burning for the Bowl. Reducing Bowl to 4 teams might stimulate Fortress where it is needed most, the point where good and not-so-good players converge.

That's my vision of of Bowl 2014. I like the idea of a round-robin, but there are a few things to consider: Will there be enough strong teams to make it exciting? Will server switching / lack of servers cause huge delays? Can the whole thing be done in less time than a Ladle? I would like to see a more concrete plan before I consider a round-robin seriously.

[Soul]

it seems very awkward to me to have different version of fortress being played in the ladle and the bowl.

Agreed. I can't think of a popular professional sport where something fundamental changes about the game in the playoffs. The only difference is usually "more games" not "different score/time."

We need to somehow incorporate best of 5 into the finals. I think be best course of action is to make Bowl the top 4 teams only, then make all the rounds best of 5. Here is why I think this is a good idea:

This should avoid the feeling of exclusion some people had, like half of us got to play and the other half didn't. Most of us won't play, haha. We will sit back and eat chips and drink soda/beer while watching some tough Fortress. The Bowl won't feel like the Ladle, especially for the teams playing. It will be just the good parts of Ladle and no opening round where some team might show up or not. One of the ideas we had about Bowl was a hope that keeping track of performance would stimulate the smaller, weaker teams. I don't think this was accomplished. Phoenix tried hard but couldn't break into the Bowl, RoadRunnerZ's success seemed to be driven by Ladle-lust and not a burning for the Bowl. Reducing Bowl to 4 teams might stimulate Fortress where it is needed most, the point where good and not-so-good players converge.

I like this a lot more. It will really reward the teams who played well during the season and make everyone try even harder in each ladle to be able to get into the event. The way it was, basically every team got in even if they played badly the whole season.

[Concord]

yeah, 8 by definition meant nothing more than consistently advancing to the quarterfinals. 4 is better.

[Soul]

Edit: Nvm i found my own answer

[woof]

I think be best course of action is to make Bowl the top 4 teams only

This.

[Fippmam]

Then there wouldn't be a huge upset like last bowl, and everyone loves upsets. Wasn't ct ranked like 6th or something?

[Vogue]

Agreed, four teams is better.

[sinewav]

Then there wouldn't be a huge upset like last bowl, and everyone loves upsets. Wasn't ct ranked like 6th or something?

Right. The original Bowl plan was to have the top 6 teams, but I switched it to 8 because byes are no fun. I also thought the number of bowl teams could be a percentage of the average number of teams in the season. Something like:

40%( sum of all teams per Ladle / 9 ) = bowl teams.

But then we'll just argue about the percentage. *shrug*

[sinewav]

Next month I am going to start recording statistics for Bowl 3. I edited the wiki to reflect some of the changes we discussed above. What stays the same: The rule of 5. Teams must play in 5 Ladles and players must play for a team 5 times. What changes: Only the top 4 teams play bowl and all finals are best of 5.

Of course, none of you have to do anything except play in Ladle normally. I'm pretty much in charge of making this whole thing work. And since I am so heavily invested in this tournament I am considering handing out a monetary prize at the end -- provided I am still making good money at my job through next April.

GL HF

[Fippmam]

Sounds like a beast of a tournament

[Venijn]

Next month I am going to start recording statistics for Bowl 3. I edited the wiki to reflect some of the changes we discussed above. What stays the same: The rule of 5. Teams must play in 5 Ladles and players must play for a team 5 times. What changes: Only the top 4 teams play bowl and all finals are best of 5.

Of course, none of you have to do anything except play in Ladle normally. I'm pretty much in charge of making this whole thing work. And since I am so heavily invested in this tournament I am considering handing out a monetary prize at the end -- provided I am still making good money at my job through next April.

GL HF

Awesome. Danke schon.

[Titanoboa]

Great