Ladle 59 Date

[Kijutsu]

PokeMaster, you're dumb. If people don't have a team because their clan decides to watch football and demands for a date change, they organize their own squad and vote no for the change, that's legit and not unfair at all. As long as their team shows up and plays, you really have no say in this whatsoever.

[þsy]

I disagree, the problem is the method of voting - it's totally illogical. How are you supposed to vote to change a date for an event to cater for your team who can't make that date, if the way to vote is to register a team that won't be there? You either need to write up a hypothetical team list (which is what was originally proposed), or hold a different method of voting

What's happened is, people have conflated the ladle sign up with the hypothetical ladle team sign up (either intentionally or not). So we have people voting on behalf of a team that will actually be there, people voting on behalf of a team that would be there if they could but won't be because they can't make it, and teams assembled specifically so they can vote to get things their own way

I pointed this out in the other ladle thread, it might make it a bit easier to understand there. What I'm saying is, essentially, that this vote is totally invalid

But for me to put this point across strongly enough for everyone to realise this would take quite a few posts and hours. We'd then have to design and organise an alternative vote, put that into action and then make a final decision. Realistically, this isn't going to happen in time to have ladle on the 1st or not, and will come at the expense of relationships getting into conflict, anger and tears

All of these things I can do without, so as I said in the other post, I'm washing my hands of this mess. What a headache

[ppotter]

The voting method being utilised was designed for when we had quarterly votes, ie. this would've been voted on some time ago, using the teams for that particular ladle, which would not be affected by the potential hypothetical nature of their sign up.

So it's not ideal, it probably would have made more sense to use teams from the previous ladle in this instance, or preferably, been brought up way in advance.

[PokeMaster]

If there's enough interest to change the way votes are done, let's do after this. Please...

[þsy]

SP will put forward their two votes, but I really can't see how we can use this vote as a legitimate method of decision-making. If things look like they're tipping one way or another, there's nothing to stop me or anyone else from making 11 teams and all voting the same way

[Kijutsu]

For 11 teams, you'd need to gather 66 players so no, you can't do that. Dumbo.

[Cronix]

For 11 teams, you'd need to gather 66 players so no, you can't do that. Dumbo.

Sorry when I have to correct you... but you only need 44... according to Challenge Board. (1 Teamleader and 3+ Players) = 4 ... 4 * 11 = 44

[þsy]

I could always use aliases too

[compguygene]

I have watched this crap long enough. Psy, quit your darned whining already. You seem to want some special treatment just because there is more than 2 of you involved in this. There is a procedure in place to deal with a date change. Nobody looked ahead and planned ahead for this. The desires of those that want to change the date are being dealt with in the agreed upon manner. If you don't like the voting procedure, call for a quarterly vote after this Ladle, and come up with a better way.
You really are sounding like a 5 year old kid that is being forced to share his favorite toy.

[Kijutsu]

I thought you were so against the whole aliases ordeal?

Yeah Cronix, was assuming 6 players per team, whatevs.

[ElmosWorld]

Or next time, don't wait until 2 weeks before the scheduled date to mention it and then we can have a proper vote.

[þsy]

I apologise if I've come across as whiney, stubborn and/or childish - it's my fault for not expressing myself in a clear enough manner, it's certainly not how I wanted to come across

It seems I have become the spokesperson for the 35+ people planning to watch the football instead of playing ladle, whilst the other side of the argument is pretty well represented within this discussion. Whilst I still believe the original request was a legitimate and fair one, it seems this discussion has gotten personal, and is beginning to turn ugly

Let's keep the peace - have a good a ladle, see you in '60

[pickle]

psy does make a legitimate concern in ways that this vote will be sabotaged but I just hope it doesn't.

[PokeMaster]

"Sabotage" could go both ways, but it could also go both ways. The best thing is to just let it go for now, and come up with a better system after this vote. Debating how a vote should be done while a vote is being done is just....bleh.

Also Psy, you don't represent those 35 or so people (probably less). They have voices and represent themselves, and just because they don't follow a 9 page thread and make a contribution (if the posts here could even be called that anymore) every day, doesn't mean they're not in it any more. People's views will be reflected in the poll, just leave it at that.

[Clutch]

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Phyto beat me to it -.-