Ladle 59 Date

[Phytotron]

Quit calling everyone kids...

I call everyone "kids," including my friends and people older than me. It's like "guys" or "y'all." However, it does get extra usage and emphasis when applied to immature people or ideas, and I think that characterization rightly applies to you kids and your argument. Furthermore, as you might notice, it was plural, not singular. So I wasn't even referring specifically or directly to you in that paragraph, but broadly to the thread, to all those on the other side of the question to whom my comments apply, many of whom are in fact kids. So, get the hell over it.

...the majority in this conversation are at least legal in America. If they can go fight and die for our country they most certainly aren't kids.

They are kids. If you're in your early twenties, you're still a kid, no matter how grown-up you think you are. Especially these days, especially in 'Western' countries.

Back to soldiers, even back in WWI and WWII and earlier, when people actually did grow up faster than today, soldiers were commonly referred to as boys. And they were, and they are. Just children, babies. That just makes it that much more tragic. Kids who go straight from playing Modern Warfare on their couch, to killing real people, and come back to playing the video games without missing a beat. It's f'cking horrible.

Listen, I'm not an ageist (I've campaigned for all-ages causes), and it's not disrespect (except where deserved). But the fact is that young people are not just short adults. Maturity (intellectual, emotional, psychological) and life experience mean something. You'll realize this in just a few years, trust me. Between just 18 and 21 you'll realize it.

And by the way, when was the last time any of you refrained from referring pejoratively to "old" people? Why is that acceptable?

I suppose child soldiers in the middle east are adults, then.

Or anywhere else. Ahem, Africa.

I think I'm getting in a "tizzy about it" because it feels so damned stubborn and ridiculous....

That's what I think of your position. You really can skip one Ladle; honest. You're being like bratty children. "I want it my way, both ways, now!" Didn't anyone ever teach you that you can't have your cake and eat it too?


EDIT: Booyah!

[pickle]

Why is this threading going off topic. Can we get back to the original question that was brought up? Can the ladle be moved to the 8th. There have been different opinions that were brought up and different solutions that have been suggested and I think we should hold a vote to see what can be done? Or if there is a higher counsel that decides this can we call forth the counsel?

[Kijutsu]

Can the ladle be moved to the 8th.

No.

Is that enough of an answer for you?

[PokeMaster]

Why is this threading going off topic. Can we get back to the original question that was brought up? Can the ladle be moved to the 8th. There have been different opinions that were brought up and different solutions that have been suggested and I think we should hold a vote to see what can be done? Or if there is a higher counsel that decides this can we call forth the counsel?

There will be a vote soon, but it will be a better vote if more teams sign up on the challenge board.

Also, this thread keeps unraveling (like many others) because everybody just likes to point out when other people are wrong, or at least when they think others are wrong (myself included).

Phyto: I see your point about national holidays vs. sporting events, and it's the same one that Overrated makes. But if we move it for New Years, which is totally about practicality, I don't see why we wouldn't do the same here. Yes, it's a substantially smaller percentage who are affected by the Euro Cup than those who are affected by New Years, but it's still a noticeable percentage. Furthermore, I agree that it is a fairly trivial issue for people to miss a ladle, but holding the date to the first when it affects a much smaller number of people is even more trivial. And that's not to completely ignore Insa's and Ritsuka's situations, where they have both planned way ahead so that they could attend on the 1st. I think it would be a bummer if they had to miss due to poor foresight on the community's part, but not as much of a bummer as 20 or so people missing (still trivial!).

[Mkay1]

edit: I'm going to create a team this ladle that is willing to play the first of the month. Pm me if interested

At phyto: I guess the Perception of "adults" in this Day and age differs. Personally I fknd the term child as condescending. I absolutely know I'm lacking experience, and I can't wait to learn. I will need to learn fast brcause I'll be goingbyo school 1,200 miles away in the fall. If I get in trouble then I'll need to deal with it. I've always been able to call my parents before. There certainly are people who are very mature but do not have very many worldly experiences. That's not necessarily young but unable to cope with diversity when it occurs. People learn by mistakes, without being put in an opportunity to fail then it is likely that person will be behind compared to the rest of society.

[PokeMaster]

If you want to talk about the concept of what a child/kid is, please do it somewhere else.

So you intend to play with that team Mkay, and it's something you'd do regardless of whether this vote was happening or not? No, a team is a team, and it's up to the members of that team to submit a single vote that best represents the mentality of those making up the team. It's the same system as the electoral college. Don't sway the vote just because you don't know how to work with your teammates outside of the grid. I'd say this to anybody trying to do the same thing, regardless of the way it'd sway the vote.

[-*inS*-]

If you want to talk about the concept of what a child/kid is, please do it somewhere else.

So you intend to play with that team Mkay, and it's something you'd do regardless of whether this vote was happening or not? No, a team is a team, and it's up to the members of that team to submit a single vote that best represents the mentality of those making up the team. It's the same system as the electoral college. Don't sway the vote just because you don't know how to work with your teammates outside of the grid. I'd say this to anybody trying to do the same thing, regardless of the way it'd sway the vote.

That's the whole point of making his own team, SP won't be playing on the 1st due to the fact we don't have enough members, so why wouldn't he make his own team if he's assuming it will be on the first?

As long as he has a team that will show up, there's nothing wrong about it.

[ppotter]

And that's not to completely ignore Insa's and Ritsuka's situations, where they have both planned way ahead so that they could attend on the 1st. I think it would be a bummer if they had to miss due to poor foresight on the community's part, but not as much of a bummer as 20 or so people missing (still trivial!).

20 or so missing it through choice, or 2 missing it after using holidays/switching shifts/losing pay specifically to be able to play. Is the latter really more palatable to you?

[PokeMaster]

Insa, I'm following this logic:

Sign your team up for Ladle whether you can make it on the 1st or not (because you might play on the 8th).

ppotter: yes

[ppotter]

Obviously in terms of overall participation, but that is a rather selfish viewpoint.

[-*inS*-]

Insa, I'm following this logic:

Sign your team up for Ladle whether you can make it on the 1st or not (because you might play on the 8th).

ppotter: yes

How does that make what he's doing illegal?

As long as he has a team that will show up, there's nothing wrong about it.

[PokeMaster]

Ya I guess it's legal, and I was probably going out of bounds to imply that creating a new team just to sway the vote (while willing to play for that team) would invalidate the vote, so sorry for that. But it does seem a lot like splitting a group of 12 into 3 teams rather than 2, so I do disagree with it, but acknowledge its validity. It's just a loophole.

That being said, date polls probably shouldn't be team-based, or better yet, they shouldn't be based on to-be teams for something that hasn't happened yet. Let's discuss this later though.

[Hoax]

This 'discussion' still going on?
Sinewav I can't believe you caved

A week till the brackets are supposed to be up and it's not even decided yet. I doubt anyone who made arrangements thought the date could be changed at such late notice, that's not fair
Most people wanting it moved so they can watch the football are coming off as greedy & unsympathetic*
Anyone who takes a day off for ladle doesn't get paid enough

*having no sympathy for Insa is perfectly fine.

[sinewav]

Sinewav I can't believe you caved

I'm full of remorse. My desire to seek resolution outweighed my stubbornness. I'm a failure.

[PokeMaster]

First off, I'm answering this here instead of in the date poll thread because we should keep that as clean as possible and as easy as possible to tally.

Problem! If we are supposed to put down the teams we usually would for an ordinary ladle (like Poke said when I asked), then mkay would usually be in SP... But he is already in another team (which he's never played with before). What do I do?

Signup as if it were any other ladle that your usual amount of people could attend. So yes, 2 teams for you guys.

Well technically if it's a real team, then it's a real team. Personally, I don't agree with it, but you have that option to make whatever legal teams you'd like.