Ladle 59 Date

[Venijn]

Am I the only one that finds it amusing that the two people with the most posts (poke and venijn) can't make either date. Huehuehue

"Ladle.2" on the 8th.

And the winners of each half-ladle play eachother for the crown on an agreed upon time by each team. That would work.

I think that might be the fairest compromise atm. Everyone gets to play, and some people can play twice. In the future however we could possibly resurrect the quarterly date voting so that this lack of foresight doesn't happen again.

Note: this part is assuming the majority supports a date change

Maybe that will work. It's frustrating that i've suggested a similar idea three times in this thread, and the along comes pickle suggesting the same thing and people "suddenly" notice it.

There's a community within a community for sure, but i guess this post is irrelevant, so...

[-*inS*-]

Nah, as somebody who cares about the stats being somewhat meaningful, I don't like that idea. But if it's got support, it deserves a vote.

And nah, I can make both dates, though I guess that's pretty much the same, heh.

Nah there's a difference, you will be directly affected by this decision because different people will show up, my bad.

If you want to keep the stats meaningful just have teams sign up for each weekend, play 1 half the bracket on one date, other on the other.

[þsy]

Sorry I hadn't mentioned it in my posts Venom, but it's because I don't think it's a great idea. Ladle has to continue on in a similar format to be the ladle, splitting it in half or having two ladles wouldn't work logistically

However, if ladle doesn't get moved to the 8th, I'd be up for having a fort competition on the 8th (we couldn't call it a ladle though). But that really is a plan B, I'd much rather have it all on one day, and that day should be the day when most people are available

[ppotter]

To all those proposing that players torn between the two events record the Euros; would you rather watch the Super Bowl live with all your mates/family, or watch a recording of it, on your own?

Iirc people had to leave early/skip the ladle for the super bowl because that was when the ladles were taking a really long time.

That has very little to do with the point I made.

[DDMJ]

I started reading this topic then skipped through all the BS.

Hold a vote. Majority rules.

/thread

[AI-team]

I started reading this topic then skipped through all the BS.

This is what I (have to) do with like 70% of all topics that have more than 4 pages

[Mkay1]

Havent had Internet past 3 days and I haven't been able to read more than the first few pages. My flight is about to leave. The ladle shouldn't be moved. It's not fair that it can be moved for this event and not others. The masters golf tournament occasionally coincides with ladles and that has never got changed. It's not about it affecting more people that others. If you do it for one you have to do it for all unless you guys run things like a tyrant, their way **** everyone else. Tbh it's selfish

[þsy]

This is not about the sport/event/occasion, it is about the numbers and level of participation!

[pickle]

Can we come to an agreement to hold a vote soon. Hopefully it being the team leaders who sign up for the ladle. Each team can hold an inner clan/team vote about it.

votes being on:

A : Ladle HAS to be on the 1st
B : Ladle HAS to be on the 8th
C : Ladle has to be on the 1st with a fun competition on the 8th
D : Ladle has to be on the 8th with a fun competition on the 1st

anyone like this idea?

[Overrated]

This is not about the sport/event/occasion, it is about the numbers and level of participation!

It IS about the sport, psy. You and many others want to be able to participate in watching the euro cup finals AND play in the ladle. The only way you can do that is if you move the ladle. I'm sorry SP doesn't have enough if the ladle isn't moved, but it's completely selfish to expect everyone to change their plans to play ladle a week later, especially after having this brought up so late. Two weeks notice is NOT enough. If this was brought up months in advance I would (on a personal level) let it slide even though I disagree with moving it for a sporting event in general. At least it would have given people time to prepare for the change.

Also, I'm sure most Americans and Canadians didn't know this was happening on the 1st; and I'm certain most Europeans, who are going to miss the ladle for this, had a sense that the Euro Cup was beginning and ending around this time.

[pickle]

This is not about the sport/event/occasion, it is about the numbers and level of participation!

I'm sorry SP doesn't have enough if the ladle isn't moved, but it's completely selfish to expect everyone to change their plans to play ladle a week later

Then lets have a vote. If majority agree not to move it then problem solved. And its not only SP who feels this way, if it was then it would only be a select few who are suggesting this.

[Phytotron]

Once again, you call me a kid. You're a very good debater, why you resort to childish name-calling is beyond me.

Don't judge me! That's my opinion, you can't say I'm wrong!

I call everyone "kids," including my friends and people older than me. It's like "guys" or "y'all." However, it does get extra usage and emphasis when applied to immature people or ideas, and I think that characterization rightly applies to you kids and your argument. Furthermore, as you might notice, it was plural, not singular. So I wasn't even referring specifically or directly to you in that paragraph, but broadly to the thread, to all those on the other side of the question to whom my comments apply, many of whom are in fact kids. So, get the hell over it.

But hey, good job not replying to the content of what I said...again.

a lot of Americans do get together for the holiday, for cookouts and other events (festivals, concerts, fireworks), whatever. So, it would seem poor scheduling for a competition that would involve a number of Americans, just from a practical standpoint.

Not to say that you had a strong opinion back then, but I'm wondering why it has suddenly changed?

Ouch, you got me! Oh, wait, you didn't. My opinion hasn't changed. Read the very post you quoted and this post more carefully. Granted, I could have phrased it more clearly in the second instance, but I was trying to brief. Notice the distinction I draw? "You can miss a Ladle, or you can miss a ball game; they're both matters of fun, not reverence." A ball game, no matter how big or culturally significant, does not meet the standard of reverence that is due a national holiday along the lines of Independence Day, or an equivalent. I would be more sympathetic to giving consideration to such occasions. Of course, if you all want to go down that road, then you're going to have to make another rule or voting every month or whatever. Who and what events count and why? Do you want to do go down that road? I thought you all had decided some time ago not to do that.

But you're talking about a sporting event. And, look, I get it. I know sports can be "important" to people, including as a big cultural event. I live in a part of a country where basketball, and in a city where UofL specifically, is like a religion. In the south people live and breath football. Have you ever seen an American movie about small town high school football and what it means to those people? Joke break.

So, yes, we do get how big soccer is to you over there. But here's the thing. If my team were playing in the national championship, I would skip Ladle in a heartbeat. Hell, I wouldn't even play the Ladle through the fall and winter because I like watching the NFL on Sundays. Not just the games, but we go over to my wife's parents' house and make a day of it.

"Yeah, but there are a lot of us." Big deal. I repeat: "You can miss a Ladle, or you can miss a ball game; they're both matters of fun, not reverence." Make your choice which you can or can't live without. I would think the obvious choice would be the UEFA championship over the triviality that is the Ladle. To again repeat: "Ladle will survive without you kids, and you'll survive without it. It's one (meaningless) game that will be repeated in just another month; that's no time. Ladle has been going on ad nauseum for years. One month without you will not hurt it one trifle, and one month without it will not hurt you one trifle. If it really would be so damaging to any of your blessed little hearts or fragile psyches to miss one little video game, you need to stop playing video games. Now." I'm dead serious with that last sentence.

it's NOT the event that is important - it is the number that are busy as a result ... This is not about the sport/event/occasion, it is about the numbers and level of participation!

That's not the main argument I've seen. And, besides, so what? This is an informal video game tournament. There are never the same number of people playing; hell, there will probably be more participants than in several earlier Ladles. And it'll be repeated next month! Why are you so up in a tizzy about it? "People will miss us! We're too important!" They'll be fine. Go have your fun with the ball game. Hopefully you'll get out into the fresh air and socialize with some real people. This game will still be here when you get back.

Again, I think this community is a different one to that, I've said this before. It's bigger now, and there are many more involved now, that weren't 2 years ago.

Untrue.

Holding a grudge for the past is childish.

It's not about a grudge. It's about principles and double-standards.

Quote on Quote "Ladle.2"

Oh my god. The phrase is "quote, unquote." It's an expression used exclusively in speech to indicate that the subsequent phrase would be surrounded by quotation marks were it written. The fact that you're writing and actually putting those quotation marks in for us all to see plain as day makes using that expression totally redundant. Come on, people, you can do better.

[Mkay1]

I agree with most of your post except one thing. Your tone. Quit calling everyone kids, the majority in this conversation are at least legal in America. If they can go fight and die for our country they most certainly aren't kids. It's a shame, you would get more meaning to your posts if you respected others more.

Edit: I like of the use of the word principle in the above post. That's what my original message way trying to portray.

[Kijutsu]

I agree with most of your post except one thing. Your tone. Quit calling everyone kids, the majority in this conversation are at least legal in America. If they can go fight and die for our country they most certainly aren't kids. It's a shame, you would get more meaning to your posts if you respected others more.

Edit: I like of the use of the word principle in the above post. That's what my original message way trying to portray.

I suppose child soldiers in the middle east are adults, then.

[þsy]

I think I'm getting in a "tizzy about it" because it feels so damned stubborn and ridiculous to host it on a day where almost half the players can't make it, just because that's when it usually is. I also feel like if it were the other way round, I would be more than happy to change the dates - but hey, I am the second nicest player on tron right

I'm not pretending that you guys need us to be there - it's more that I want to play ladle, it's fortress at it's best, and I hate missing ladle. And, hey, all 15 of you Americans might even miss us if we're not there