Homosexuality is a Choice(Not!)

[Phytotron]

That's primarily why ... in my opinion.

All that. Do you realise what you just said? You're a secularist and you don't even know it!

Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that, at least at present, the most vehemently religious people on this forum (e.g., Word, Titanoboa, Syllabear) are the Europeans, while most all the Americans are either non-religious (e.g., myself, sinewav, Lucifer), or pluralistic and advocating keeping it to oneself (e.g., Gene and ItzAcid)? At least, among those who talk about it. And, obviously, LukeJr is no longer active and he was...whooboy...out there. Still, worth mentioning given the stereotypes, I think. State churches versus 1st Amendment, I say. Anyhoo.

Out of curiousity, was that quote from C.S Lewis from when he was a proclaimed atheist, or a proclaimed Christian?

Lewis's Trilemma. Lunatic, Liar, or Lord. I would say Lifted, myself.

And then there's Epicurus's Trilemma:
1. if God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent
2. if God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good
3. if God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why is there evil?

Edit: Yeah, I was definitely off on the lifestyle thing. I'll give you a +1 for me not using that the right way. Should have been more specific, as I meant the sexual aspect of life.

So, while you acknowledge that homosexuality is as inherent as heterosexuality, that it is not a choice, you nevertheless think that it's wrong for someone who is homosexual to engage in any sexual activity with another of the same gender? "They may be inherently gay, but they better not act on it"—is that it?

[Mecca]

In any case, on the subject of effeminate males, I just thought I'd throw out that 100% of cross-dressers who do it because they enjoy it are heterosexual males.

Gay bar drag show.

[Phytotron]

Yeah, I was wondering about that one, too; in particular the 100% figure.

Say, babe, take a walk on the wild side.

[Lucifer]

For some reason, drag is not considered cross-dressing, and means the person is gay. Don't ask me why that is, I sure in the hell don't know.

[Cody]

Yea Cross dressing and dressing in drag are little bit different

[syllabear]

Since when was gardening gay, Phytotron?

[Phytotron]

Did I say it was?

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I get the difference between cross-dressing and drag—the latter being exaggerated, usually for performance art purposes, while the former is usually just plain dress. But my understanding has been that neither is the exclusive domain of one or another sexual orientation (or, for that matter, the "T"s).

[syllabear]

Fact is, there are a lot of straight males who are into gardening, antiquing, interior design, dance music and broadway musicals. And there are a lot of gay men who like beer, sports, hard rock, are slobs, and...whatever other stereotypical "regular guy" stuff.

Well not gay, but 'prissy' I guess would be the right word. What I'm trying to say is, I thought it was a pretty 'manly' thing to do.

[Phytotron]

Do you not understand that I was listing a set of stereotypes commonly associated with gay males? While you may not view gardening as "gay, prissy, sissy, girly," or whatever, a lot of macho and homophobic types do. Especially where flowers and such are concerned. Major landscaping, that may be considered "manly."

I'm wondering, though, if there may be an AmE/BrE difference in the meaning and general usage of the word "gardening," and what it involves. Our respective uses of "garden" and "yard" (noun forms) are quite different. You may have something else in mind.

[Mecca]

For some reason, drag is not considered cross-dressing, and means the person is gay. Don't ask me why that is, I sure in the hell don't know.

I know what you mean. I am not exactly sure why either, but I will ask a few friends that may know.

EDIT: From my friend: "Drag queens are attention whores. CDs are just whores."

Yeah, I think the whole performance aspect of dressing in drag is the big difference.

[Lucifer]

I get the difference between cross-dressing and drag—the latter being exaggerated, usually for performance art purposes, while the former is usually just plain dress. But my understanding has been that neither is the exclusive domain of one or another sexual orientation (or, for that matter, the "T"s).

The 100% was an exaggeration, but I read about "some studies" that put the numbers near 90% for each, where 90% of drag queens (approximately) are gay, and 90% cross dressers are straight.

[F0RC3]

I believe that homosexuallity in people is because of a combination of both DNA and the environmental influences when a person is a young age(Particularly ages 0-5).

Definitely not a choice.

[Cody]

I believe that homosexuallity in people is because of a combination of both DNA and the environmental influences when a person is a young age(Particularly ages 0-5).

Definitely not a choice.

I still disagree with the environmental influences.

[sinewav]

I still disagree with the environmental influences.

Yeah, I've been trying to think of an environmental factor that would make someone gay and I can't come up with a single one. Anyone want to take a shot at it?

[syllabear]

Birth order shows one of the strongest correlators for predicting homosexuality.

Technically, the foetus has already formed, so there is no genetic change, and the theory goes that an immune response in the mother (still an environmental change) from previous male children will prime her defences against this foreign body (the foetus), which are believed to affect human sexual orientation.