...and thanks for the badge!!

[syllabear]

Phytotron, try re-reading my post, its almost embarassing how much you misinterpreted what I said.

[Mkay1]

Also, "the Liz of many names" is gone, too

[Kijutsu]

Also, "the Liz of many names" is gone, too

No, that's a different account.



I asked Tank Program to change my name on IRC. Maybe you thought I was a guy and my comment seemed rape positive, Phyto? It's quite the opposite, actually.

[Phytotron]

Phytotron, try re-reading my post, its almost embarrassing how much you misinterpreted what I said.

That's the second time you've told someone to do that in this thread. Vague and useless. How about you clarify what you meant. Onus is on you, buddy.

Maybe you thought I was a guy and my comment seemed rape positive, Phyto? It's quite the opposite, actually.

These attitudes are expressed by both males and females. But no, not rape-positive.

The part I'm focusing on is the above-quoted line: "you can't prevent a rapist from raping." (Put aside the photos and that side of it; those were extras.) The only way that statement makes any sense is if you believe that certain individuals are genetically programmed, not simply predisposed, but inevitably destined to be rapists, like an incurable and untreatable terminal birth defect; that there's no way to identify these individuals and intercede; and that even if they could be identified they're completely resistant to any counter-influence that might be brought upon them.

Ruling that out, we're still left with the suggestion that the phenomenon and especially the incidence of rape is an inevitable, unpreventable natural hazard. Moreover, this extreme individualism that suggests that there might not be any social/societal causes behind rape that might be addressed in reduce incidence of rape (that's the relation to the comment in the other thread). Did you notice that one of those links was to the Centers for Disease Control?

One wonders if you have the same beliefs regarding other acts of violent crime (and nonviolent crime, for that matter). If so, how would you explain declining violent crime rates, or increased ones in other places (or times)? Totally random chance? You're just as likely to experience an act of violence in the Netherlands as you are in Afghanistan?

And yes, espousing this attitude does, in fact, lead to a "blame the victim" sort of social mentality, whether you consciously recognize or subscribe to it yourself or not. If rape is described as a natural hazard, then it's up to people to avoid putting themselves in that position—like deliberately failing to take cover during a tornado warning. You were just asking for it by standing on your lawn taking video. (Same goes for some of the other comments you've made, such as your response to Lucifer in that other thread. Whether you intend it or not.)

Maybe you should be less preoccupied with leveling "burns" at people every chance you get, reconsider this proud anti-social attitude you have, and put a little more thought into what you say, and how you say it—especially if you actually are going into the nursing profession, where little things like empathy, and sensitivity to how things you say might be heard by people in moments of trauma and crisis, should be prerequisites.

[sinewav]

This shit is happening today, in the 21st century, because of the bible.

Moroccan girl commits suicide after being forced to marry her rapist

[Concord]

what does that have to do with the bible?

[sinewav]

what does that have to do with the bible?

Please shut up and do your homework before posting.

[Concord]

that doesn't answer my question.


(for all you viewers at home, the state religion of Morocco is Islam)

[sinewav]

that doesn't answer my question.

You know what answers your question? Google. I know you can use that.

But since you think it's fun to play stupid (though since you keep doing it I imagine you might actually be stupid and not playing), not only is the Moroccan state religion Islam but they practice Shaira Law too. That's a religious law, and the Moroccan law is heavily influenced by it. Now I'm sure you've prepared a bunch of smarty-pants comments about how Shaira Law is based on the Quran*, and not the bible, but of course you would be completely wrong in thinking you can separate the Quran (or the New Testament for that matter) from the Old Testament and Mosiac Law. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God, and God hath spoken on morality many times. And as we've seen, God says it's Ok in the bible to marry off rape victims to their attackers.

Your turn now. Please bowl us over with some amazing perspective on how religion and the bible have no influence on Moroccan culture and why this girl's suicide is not the result of imbecilic adhesion to ancient texts about an imaginary skygod. Good luck.


* I'm sure there are some people who will dance around and say the Quran and Sharia Law is actually feminist and does not condone rape without punishment. I've never read the Quran, but I can't imagine it's any less fallible than the Old and New Testament.

[Concord]

premise: the judge's ruling is the cause for this woman's suicide
premise: the law behind the judge's ruling is not based on the bible.

conclusion: the bible did not cause this woman's suicide.
secondary conclusion: "This shit is happening today, in the 21st century, because of the bible" is a false statement.

if you'd like to amend your statement to, "This shit is happening today, in the 21st century, because of the bible and the koran," I would still disagree.

Books don't make laws. Books don't rape people. No book caused this woman to commit suicide. No book caused the man to rape her. People have responsibility. Books are inanimate objects. By blaming bad things on inanimate objects, you absolve the actual actors of blame. As if this woman being raped in a less religious country would have made it ok. As if the man being put in jail would make it ok.

Why do you insist on blaming books for bad things?
If I go out and kill some one because I read Lord of the Flies, you wouldn't blame William Golding, would you?

[ItzAcid]

Maybe God instructing that the Rapist marry the woman he violates isn't necessarily a bad intention. If you flip it around, it might be attempted justification. Instead of raping her and running off, he has to pay the father for his offense, and he must provide for her. Once a woman is "spoiled" I imagine it was hard to find another mate back then. It's obviously a big negative for the woman regardless of any circumstance, sadly.

[Kijutsu]

Yeah, because the only way to provide for someone is by marrying them, right? Let's forget the fact that a raped person wants to get far, far away from their rapist.. even then, the scumbag can just pay the family and gtfo forever. There's no need for marriage.

Sigh, why am I surprised.. I'm talking to someone who needed books to understand that homosexuality isn't a bad thing.

Oh and Concord, the only times a woman is forced to marry her rapist is because of religion, you pseudo intellectual diqwad.

[ItzAcid]

Yeah, because the only way to provide for someone is by marrying them, right? Let's forget the fact that a raped person wants to get far, far away from their rapist.. even then, the scumbag can just pay the family and gtfo forever. There's no need for marriage.

Sigh, why am I surprised.. I'm talking to someone who needed books to understand that homosexuality isn't a bad thing.

I don't feel strongly about this topic; i'm just proposing different ideas whether they are right or wrong. I did say that for the raped person it was an awful situation regardless of the outcome.

As for the second part, no comment.

[Kijutsu]

No, of course you don't feel strongly about this topic. Please go back to church and stay away from anything that's thought provoking, or makes you question god.

Commenting further would be redundant, thank you.

[ItzAcid]

Sometimes questioning can be strengthening. I'm fine with having open minded discussion, but it's obvious that if I am, you're obviously stuck in your own ways as well. Maybe you should consider doing just the same you told me, minus the church/God part.

I won't comment anymore though, trying to have an intellectual discussion or debate with you is fruitless.