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Phytotron wrote:The troubling thing is you may be incapable of ever understanding or accepting any of this. I doubt many kids like Slov will ever understand or accept their blissfully ignorant consumption and regurgitation of minstrelsy, either.
One week ago I sat in the train and there was a mentally challenged person with a laptop in the same wagon and she actually had the same music taste as Slov. I know it because she had to announce every single song ('And now we come to Jay Z' ...) and comment it - for more than 3 hours. All passengers were annoyed by her music taste but of course nobody dared to say anything because that person was handicapped. While the train was arriving at her destination and was getting slower, she started to hit and insult the doors ('why won't you open, you asshole!").
Usually I tend to perceive anyone who's trying to force his own music taste upon others as an imposition, unless it's my own music taste. I could like almost anything if it's presented properly, just like a good author could write an interesting novel about buttered bred - if there was an ethology student who'd take the time to scientifically dissect these 'songs' and their target groups (e.g. attempting to find reasons for the lyrics' obligatory narcissism), I think that would be a lot of fun.
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What in the natural world are you talking about?
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I guess I'm using that anecdote as an example to say that Slov's posts would be a more pleasurable experience for all of us if he'd have some wit or if he could filter something original out of the music he's presenting. As far as I can tell, he's not as handicapped as that passenger and it's almost pitiful that he has nearly the same behaviour and taste. Someone who is truly ignorant is not as accountable as someone who should know better, but the same applies for 'connaisseurs' of other music genres all the more.


(Buñuel: 'Like the majority of deaf people, I don't like blind people much').
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Phytotron wrote:What in the natural world are you talking about?
About what he was listening to back then (riding a train). Perfectly on-topic, but with a time shift.
About the presentation and interpretation of pieces of music, which isn't actually on topic here, but seems to be the most discussed matter.
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Phytotron wrote:Liz likes Polvo?! Liz has even heard of Polvo?

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Who doesn't like Polvo?!

Listening to my fav album, Exploded Drawing, atm. ^^
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saragei wrote:Perfectly on-topic....
I wasn't implying otherwise, but he quoted me specifically, which usually indicates he was responding directly to that quote. To wit...
Word wrote:I guess I'm using that anecdote as an example to say that Slov's posts would be a more pleasurable experience for all of us if he'd have some wit or if he could filter something original out of the music he's presenting.
OK, after rereading it (it was early the first time) I guess I get your overall commentary, but two things. First thing: it's irrelevant to my post, including the specific part you quoted. I don't know if you don't understand what I was saying, or were just using it as an impetus to go on one of your odd little musings. My criticism wasn't about a lack of wit or originality (although that's obviously true of him). It was that he mindlessly celebrates modern-day minstrelsy. You think I was talking about medieval minstrels or something? No, man, the American Minstrel show; that's why I made the remark about blackface earlier. (Both of those articles are really insufficient, but enough to clue you in.) This stuff is f*cking important.

The other aspect of that criticism was that he may be incapable of understanding or accepting this fact—for a variety of reasons ranging from cultural and historical ignorance (of both African-American and American in general) and white privilege, to his own simple obstinate stupidity and shallowness.

(Note, I'm referring to the criticism directed specifically at Slov, putting aside Titanoboa for now; although some of that does apply.)

As an aside, another term I used in that post with which you all may not be familiar: Cultural appropriation. Again, an insufficient article, but something to get you started.


Second thing: Slov may be an abject moron, but by comparing him to someone with a legitimate mental disability you're denigrating and reinforcing false and negative attitudes against those who can't help it by using them, their very existence, as an insult. Same goes for all that "herp derp" stuff, by the way. You may not have consciously intended it as an overt insult in your larger commentary, but you treaded closely, and actually perhaps even more so in the second post.


Lastly, I don't think 'ethology' is the word you wanted to use up there.

vogue wrote:Listening to my fav album, Exploded Drawing, atm. ^^
I can do without a few of the songs on Exploded Drawing. I consider Cor-Crane Secret and Celebrate the New Dark Age the "quintessential" Polvo, myself—possibly because they were the first I heard, but I also just think they're the frickin' rawkin' best.

So, did you pay for it? Do you believe Touch and Go is a powerful, corrupt, greedy corporate label; or that the guys from Polvo are lavishly rich rock stars?



EDIT: Just the end bit.
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Second thing: Slov may be an abject moron, but by comparing him to someone with a legitimate mental disability you're insulting and reinforcing false and negative attitudes against those who can't help it
Argh, no, that's exactly what I'm trying to say - I wouldn't call anyone stupid because of his music taste (which doesn't mean I would like it), because these factors aren't something you can control yourself. I'm not insulting anyone with that.
I just say that people without mental problems should be thankful for that and not degrade the others. The same applies for music taste - some have a better approach to classical music, others like rock but both groups usually try to stay in their familiar territory and tend to regard the other one as poor taste. that's really all ><
(yes, I thought I was actually kind of advocating Slov's taste here, haha)
I found it was relevant because it's partly explaining why people like Slov and you or me can't stand each other's music taste (and other things). :)

First I was thinking of a quote by an author you probably never heard of - Georg Büchner (maybe you know Werner Herzog's adaption of Woyzeck?). It was something along the lines of "I'd never insult someone because he's not educated. Education is luxury. But I condemn anyone who insults others for not being as educated as he himself."



edit: full quote in german + google translator english with minor edits

Ich kann jemanden einen Dummkopf nennen, ohne ihn deshalb zu verachten; die Dummheit gehört zu den allgemeinen Eigenschaften der menschlichen Dinge; ihre Existenz kann ich nichts, es kann mir aber niemand wehren, alles, was existiert, bei seinem Namen zu nennen und dem, was mir unangenehm ist, aus dem Wege zu gehn. Jemanden kränken, ist eine Grausamkeit; ihn aber zu suchen oder zu meiden, bleibt meinem Gutdünken überlassen. Datier erklärt sich mein Betragen gegen alte Bekannte: ich kränkte keinen und sparte mir viel Langeweile; halten sie mich für hochmütig, wenn ich an ihren Vergnügungen oder Beschäftigungen keinen Geschmack finde, so ist es eine Ungerechtigkeit; mir würde es nie einfallen, einem andern aus dem nämlichen Grunde einen ähnlichen Vorwurf zu machen. Man nennt mich einen Spötter. Es ist wahr, ich lache oft; aber ich lache nicht darüber, wie jemand ein Mensch, sondern nur darüber, daß er ein Mensch ist, wofür er ohnehin nichts kann, und lache dabei über mich selbst, der ich sein Schicksal teile. Die Leute nennen das Spott, sie vertragen es nicht, daß man sich als Narr produziert und sie duzt; sie sind Verächter, Spötter und Hochmütige, weil sie die Narrheit nur außer sich suchen. Ich habe freilich noch eine Art von Spott, es ist aber nicht der der Verachtung, sondern der des Hasses. Der Haß ist so gut erlaubt als die Liebe, und ich hege ihn im vollsten Maße gegen die, welche verachten. Es ist deren eine große Zahl, die, im Besitz einer lächerlichen Äußerlichkeit, die man Bildung, oder eines toten Krams, den man Gelehrsamkeit heißt, die große Masse ihrer Brüder ihrem verachtenden Egoismus opfern.
I can call someone an idiot without despising him, for stupidity is one of the general properties of human affairs; I'm not responsible for its existence, but nobody can try to keep me from calling things by their right name and go out of the way of the things that are unpleasant. Offending someone is an act of cruelty, but to seek it or to avoid it is up to me. That explains my conduct to old friends: I didn't hurt anyone (of them) and saved a lot of boredom, they think I was arrogant when I find their pleasures or pursuits tasteless; that is an injustice - I would never make a similar accusation or fun of one of them for that reason. They call me a scoffer. It's true, I often laugh, but I do not laugh about how someone is a man, but just the fact that he is a man - what he cannot change anyway - and laugh at myself about, sharing his fate. People call it ridicule, they don't tolerate it, that one produces himself as a fool and [duzen= addresses them informally with "du"], they are contemptuous, scornful and arrogant, because they seek the folly only beside themselves. I'm certainly capable of another kind of mockery, but it is not the contempt, but hatred. The hatred is allowed as well as the love and I cherish it to the fullest extent against those who despise. There are many, those in possession of a ridiculous externality which is called education, a dead thing called learning; they sacrifice their brothers to satisfy their despicable selfishness.


And thanks for the links, again I learned a bit more :)
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Yeah, I still think we're on different pages, even entire subjects here, communicating cross-wise. I wasn't talking merely about taste. Your comment might've been more in context with what I was saying back on page 19. But, I think too much to try to untangle here so I'm just going to let it lie.

But, leaving all that aside, I will make these couple of comments in reaction to your latest post:

1) Huh? Of course one can control and change one's tastes! It's not (entirely) genetically determined or inescapably systematic.

2) I'm not familiar with Georg Büchner, but quickly looking him up I see his short life was entirely at the beginning of the Prussian era. According to Wikipedia's page on education in Germany, it seems that during that time 8 years of primary education was available for free to the public. Another four years of secondary education was only available privately, so, yes, a luxury (and only to that extent)—then. (Of course, he could've been speaking globally, but....) This is obviously not the situation these days in the countries in which the people on this forum live. Nor was the general access to knowledge/information at that time as great as it is now. Puts a bit of a hole in his stance when considered in a modern, advanced democratic context, I think.
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1) wouldn't you have to convert your victim's entire personality first (capacity, educational/social background etc.) or at least make him understand and sympathize with your own? :P

2) Yeah, I thought that too, but I think people back then would have been more willing to inform themselves than we today are, although we have more possibilities - because it's natural for us to find almost everything we want, we are already dulled by our own progress (at least in democratic countries that aren't going to witness a revolution anytime soon).
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umm I never said I can't stand your musical taste Word, I actually think it's cool. Beatles are a great band - it's not that I have their songs on my mp3 player but I respect them.
I have a pretty open musical taste, you might be surprised haha. Depends on the mood I'm in but I'll listen to music I like, no matter the genre..

Ethos - Spirit of Music wonder if anyone knows this track..

to phyto... you're just too close minded bro
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Slov wrote:to phyto... you're just too clear minded bro
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Word wrote:1) wouldn't you have to convert your victim's entire personality first (capacity, educational/social background etc.) or at least make him understand and sympathize with your own? :P
It's called music education, cultural studies, humanities, aesthetics.
2) Yeah, but....
Even if we stipulate what you say is true, that's no excuse!

Slov wrote:to phyto... you're just too close minded bro
Here's the thing. First, I'm not your "bro." Second, and more importantly, celebrating minstrelsy isn't "open minded." It's f'cking racist. Not even recognizing, admitting, or understanding that you're celebrating minstrelsy, especially after someone has pointed it out to you, isn't "open minded." It's willful unenlightened ignorance. If you qualify as "open minded," it's only because your brain has dropped out.
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Phytotron wrote:calling me racist
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