Ladle 53

[Gonzap]

Haha insa/Psy, that a was a good round for me. You wanna know something? I didn't know we were already on 98. I probably wouldn't have risked at all if I knew it lol. Was good.

[þsy]

Gonzap you joputa, do not say that

[Aiphaton]

gz CT nice to see you back in the ring.

THX and WD to TX we had some really intensive Matches and
played like 1 hour and 30 mins (first round )

[vov]

had to go mid-game, sorry

/me slaps woned. Also, no gz from me for that, sorry. At least the last line looks somewhat like an apology (at least I hope so). We did have a full team but as ladle is taking 5 hours! now, some people (unlike MB ) may have to leave in a late sunday night. /me slaps sweepbox.

Despite the slaps, nice matches! Really close one tx, and the matches vs id and ct (the one that i played) were quite good as well

[Titanoboa]

Big congratulations & wd to CT, it's definitely about time you stepped back up into the spotlight. I haven't seen any of the matches except my own, but I hear you played very well. Also, gm SP, wd.

[animal]

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[zat]

Gz ct!
There were some awesome matches this ladle ! Althought we had a bit of bad luck that this ladle lasted that long...

[matchbox53]

had to go mid-game, sorry

/me slaps woned. Also, no gz from me for that, sorry. At least the last line looks somewhat like an apology (at least I hope so). We did have a full team but as ladle is taking 5 hours! now, some people (unlike MB ) may have to leave in a late sunday night. /me slaps sweepbox.

Despite the slaps, nice matches! Really close one tx, and the matches vs id and ct (the one that i played) were quite good as well

lol i drank 5 red bulls to stay awake it was over at 4:30 am where i live

thx guys and it was fun playing vs all of you!

[Cronix]

I only slept for 14 hours now o.o
And now a lot of housework is waiting for me -_-

@sufy:

Nice try in faking me. My name is ct_Cronix. My color is not likes Gonzaps color. And FAIL!

[Z-Man]

It happened when the scores were near 70 or 80 in the 2nd match. I don't have time to watch it up to then but I would say 3000 seconds is a close bet.

I see nothing like that around there (watched from 2500 onwards), not if I watch spin. Did you smurf?

[INW]

Edit: Also, how do I playback to a time? When I enter [--fastforward 1000], windows gives me an error on the command.

Do I not need to type with brackets?

No, but you need the full command line, with just --fastforward 1000, Windows can't know what to run. IIRC, assuming default installation paths, you need to open the command prompt ('cmd') and enter

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cd "C:\Program Files\Armagetron Advanced"
.\ArmagetronAd.exe --playback <recording name> --fastforward 3000

[sinewav]

I hoped sweepbox would die after Ladle 49-50, but it didn't happen. I think it's still a pretty good tactic for weaker/incomplete teams but it won't win you Ladles anymore, so let's hope we'll see more open tactics from now on

This is a pretty shitty statement to make and shows you haven't learned a thing from your victory. So sad. The sweepbox is just a tactic like any other. And it's a defensive one, which means it's a counter-measure. It's not supposed to be a winning tactic because, as everyone knows, defense doesn't win games.

The reason CT won had nothing to do with the sweepbox and I really wish you guys would get over it because you look like complete idiots every time you bring it up. The reason you won was because you played better than everyone else, not because of the tactics, which are neutral elements in the game.

Look, let me put it this way. The reason you lost against sweep-boxing teams before wasn't because they used a "cheap tactic." It's because you sucked that day and the other team was better. And likewise, when a team uses a sweepbox and fails, it's not because the tactic doesn't work. It's because they sucked using it. Get it now?

And what's this "open tactics" bullshit? If CT wants Ladle to be "so open" then stop closing center. Jesus, think before you speak.

[owned]

Dude, you're making an issue where there isn't any. He isn't saying that a team that uses the sweepbox is weaker/incomplete, he's saying that it's a good tactic for weak/incomplete teams to use. He also said that a sweepbox doesn't win the ladle, which you yourself agreed with. As for the rest of his post, he's just expressing his wish that there are less sweepboxes in the future. He's not insulting it or disparaging the tactic in any way, he's just saying that he wishes there will be less of it in the future.

While it is a little unclear as to what he was saying exactly, I blame that on English not being his native language.

I know ct has made it's fair share of comments insulting the sweepbox in the past, but please don't assume that every comment we make on the topic is an attack.

[INW]

It happened when the scores were near 70 or 80 in the 2nd match. I don't have time to watch it up to then but I would say 3000 seconds is a close bet.

I see nothing like that around there (watched from 2500 onwards), not if I watch spin. Did you smurf?

I found it. It happens 3rd match around 4300 seconds.

It was actually part of my wall turning invisible client side.
Your recording shows me clearly running into my wall.

Anyway, what is up with all the hate from Word about my def?

1) I haven't been on def since Ladle 43 almost 1 year ago.
2) I've never played def with a sweepbox
3) I didn't def to save the zone. I def'ed to save my 2 points.

If I shrink, it causes the attackers to get more aggressive by attacking harder to gank the zone. They start tripling more and mazing/camping to gank the zone. This gets them closer to me and hopefully my sweepers closer to them to box and kill them.

I would rather give up the zone then die and give up the zone.

If you watch me in the recordings, you will see I went a mile in my wall. The purpose of that was to prevent zap from getting in while my sweepers ganked. I wanted to make it impossible for the attacker to breech me.

On the other hand, I got cut twice (nicely done by gaz and MB) because they outgrinded the rim wall that was straight. other than that, the other 2 were left wide open while I was busy doing something else (like closing off gaz). No cody, I wasn't cut 6 times.

Word even tried to use an alias to hide from his trolling.
People amaze me these days.

[Word]

Everyone can type /players, I was logged in the whole time - I haven't hidden it. I used that alias 1 week ago but of course not everyone remembers that.
I'm not hating you, I just said you're a bad def to provoke Hi a bit.

2) I've never played def with a sweepbox
3) I didn't def to save the zone. I def'ed to save my 2 points.

Some clarification then

2) unlike some others I didn't comment when you couldn't expand after the sweepboxers were already gone (see aarecs if you need further proof). It just seemed to me you kept shrinking when they were still there and left lots of room for you and then, at some point, you'd start to expand and put them under pressure so they interrupt the sweepbox. That seemed to mess you up.
1) and 3) So you're saying you just wanted to survive? Then why is it wrong to say that you're helpless without a sweepbox (not criticizing the strategy itself but the notion that it's bad to say what you played like, especially since you admit it here )?

If I shrink, it causes the attackers to get more aggressive by attacking harder to gank the zone. They start tripling more and mazing/camping to gank the zone. This gets them closer to me and hopefully my sweepers closer to them to box and kill them.

That's a common misconception when your opponent is a solid team. I think the def's job is to win time for the attackers at all costs - doing it this way just hustles things on.