Mb53's server: changes and improvement

[Word]

One recent change seems to be the death of "super-teams;" those who regularly submit 2 squads per Ladle. Does this change the concentration of top players? Is that good or bad?

You can see that next ladle, there's only SP and MYM left if CT doesn't undo this. This reminds me of the Nigel Farage video sylla linked some weeks ago. The situation resembles the plot of an Agatha Christie novel, the only remaining question is, what clan dies next?


(my money is on SP. Has anyone seen Psyko or Oblivion recently?)

[Mkay1]

One recent change seems to be the death of "super-teams;" those who regularly submit 2 squads per Ladle. Does this change the concentration of top players? Is that good or bad?

You can see that next ladle, there's only SP and MYM left if CT doesn't undo this. This reminds me of the Nigel Farage video sylla linked some weeks ago. The situation resembles the plot of an Agatha Christie novel, the only remaining question is, what clan dies next?


(my money is on SP. Has anyone seen Psyko or Oblivion recently?)

Weren't we the only team to post dual teams last ladle? Those people aren't relevant in administration, anymore.

[sinewav]

Weren't we the only team to post dual teams last ladle?

Yes. mYm has only entered dual-squads once, in L-48 -- and they played each other in the opening round. I don't know what Word is talking about. Word, do you know what you are talking about?

[Word]

I'm not questioning psy's leadership qualities (which are inarguably better than mine) or the skill of your teams (which is inarguably better than ours ever was). But, now that DS, PRU and CT are absent from the ladle (regardless if they're actually dead or plan to return/live on as an open team), their players don't have a lot of options left. They won't found a new clan, no one of their remaining active players is a "leader" type of person, otherwise these clans wouldn't need a time-out. They'll obviously join the remaining established clans instead. On the other side, we still have teams like Speed Demons, Team Elite or una. First I thought that we're going to lose the 'middle class' (TX, UNK, R etc.) but the death of CT 'gives the cards a new shuffle'.
I'm not trying to convict anyone for letting a clan die, but I question whether these players will be able to guarantee the remaining clans' survival and the survival of the ladle. What will happen to SP when psy and Flex are gone?
According to this (simplified) reasoning the divide between mega-clans and noob-clans (rich and poor, so to speak ) is getting larger. We are now witnessing how the ladle win can be privatized. You said in the post I quoted that the gap between noobs and pros will shrink, and I think next ladle could foreshadow what will happen (the opposite imo), now that some of these clans are gone.

Sorry if that is out of proportion, but I miss true underdog teams. The only promising new team on this level is Swift, but they're not complete noobs and merely a 'best of'.

I don't have any suggestion what to do against this aside from the things I've already mentioned, and I still don't believe that a "noob tourney" would help.

Remember Concord's blog entry where he predicted that Ww was the only new ladle team that can soon match CT, and then they moved to Tr2n two days later?

bottom line, all of this is pure speculation...

[-*inS*-]

SP has been around for nearly 10 years now (arguably the first 'clan' created on this game), we've been there, done that, got the t-shirt; I'm not too concerned...

[Concord]

where can I get one of these t-shirts?

[sinewav]

where can I get one of these t-shirts?

Here it is...
http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtop ... 73#p202473

[Concord]

oh right!


anyway this seems to sum up sine's points.

[sinewav]

anyway this seems to sum up sine's points.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at everything.

[Phytotron]

SP has been around for nearly 10 years now (arguably the first 'clan' created on this game)

Not even close. Are you guys really going around telling people that? The game itself is barely 10 years old. SP didn't show up until, if I recall correctly, sometime in 2006. There were countless clans before that. Not only that, SP was itself a spinoff of the MBC clan—one of, if not the, first popular, long-term clans with its own server and forum. A fundie (and paranoid conspiracy theorist) named Self Destructo formed SP after, as he claimed, God told him to leave MBC. He subsequently split from SP and formed XZL for the same reason, as I recall.

The only "claim to fame" you may be able to make with respect to age is that SP is one of the oldest surviving clans, but as I've noted elsewhere, I think the long-term survivability of clans has been inextricably linked to the existence of the Ladle and other tourneys, and vice-versa, since a clan is effectively a built-in team. A symbiotic relationship that has plagued Armagetron!

EDIT: My own follow-up clarifications.

anyway this seems to sum up sine's points.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at everything.

Make sure you all listen to his follow-up clarification, so as not to misinterpret, as many apparently have.

[sinewav]

anyway this seems to sum up sine's points.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at everything.

Make sure you all listen to his follow-up clarification, so as not to misinterpret, as many apparently have.

Oh don't worry, I understand it crystal clear. But that's a good interview too, thanks.

[Phytotron]

Yeah, I figured you wouldn't have misinterpreted it, but I put it for general consumption.

[-*inS*-]

SP has been around for nearly 10 years now (arguably the first 'clan' created on this game)

Not even close. Are you guys really going around telling people that? The game itself is barely 10 years old. SP didn't show up until, if I recall correctly, sometime in 2006. There were countless clans before that. Not only that, SP was itself a spinoff of the MBC clan—one of, if not the, first popular, long-term clans with its own server and forum. A fundie (and paranoid conspiracy theorist) named Self Destructo formed SP after, as he claimed, God told him to leave MBC. He subsequently split from SP and formed XZL for the same reason, as I recall.

The only "claim to fame" you may be able to make with respect to age is that SP is one of the oldest surviving clans, but as I've noted elsewhere, I think the long-term survivability of clans has been inextricably linked to the existence of the Ladle and other tourneys, and vice-versa, since a clan is effectively a built-in team. A symbiotic relationship that has plagued Armagetron!

SP was created before MBC, thanks. Self Destructo wasn't even SP's founder, the mere fact you mention that about throws away any credibility you might have had. Our old forum was created in 2004 (another hole in your conspiracy theory). Of course clans were formed shortly after Armagetron was made, you think it took years for someone to bring that concept here?

Thanks for confirming my observations, your charade is up.

Oh and I find it funny you pretend to be an encyclopedia for all things clan related, all while you profess that they "plague" this game.

[sinewav]

Because I like the historical aspect of Armagetron, I dug around to see if I could find out more. Any events occurring before the birth of this forum are hard to verify.

Claim:

• "SP has been around for nearly 10 years now (arguably the first 'clan' created on this game)" -inS

Conflict:

• "The game itself is barely 10 years old. SP didn't show up until, if I recall correctly, sometime in 2006." -Phytotron
  "Our old forum was created in 2004" -inS

True: Armagetron is barely ten years old.
Probably True: Speeders had an Armagetron clan in 2004, and perhaps was strictly Battlezone II (2000) for a few years before that. Speeders is probably 10 years old. Speeders in Armagetron is probably 7 years old, not 10. So there seems to be some slight over/under exaggeration by both, but not a lot. The first mention of SP on these forums is in late 2005, and the first mention of SP on the wiki is in 2006.

Claim:

• Self Destructo formed SP after, as he claimed, God told him to leave MBC. He subsequently split from SP and formed XZL...

Conflict:

• Self Destructo wasn't even SP's founder...

True: SP was founded by Theridiid/X3R and Schnipp/Phantom. PsYkO appears to be the main contact in Armagetron in the beginning.
Aslo True: Self Destructo definitely made him self out to be the leader of SP (and here too), definitely left MBC because God told him to, and definitely had a hand in creating XzL. So it seems there is good reason to think everything Phytotron said was true to the best of his knowledge, as it was delivered to him by an SP member. From what I can tell from my readings, SP and MBC were basically two sides of the same coin and existing in the same space and time here.

I think Phytotron's credibility is still intact.

Oh and I find it funny you pretend to be an encyclopedia for all things clan related, all while you profess that they "plague" this game.

I guess I can see why. Everything I've read about the earliest clans in Arma (Sp, MBC, XzL) are really just the same trouble-makers under different names. SP is still here. We all remember the problems with VcL, ID, and Ww. And gee, even my own clan is an acknowledged bunch of hooligans. CT saves the day (mostly)! I guess there are a couple good clans here and there...

[Mkay1]

I enjoy arma history too sine, thanks for this well done little piece.