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[sinewav]

This post is for my own benefit. I want to make a note of the server crash discussion so far. Possible solutions include:

1. Redo the round with scores set at the time of the crash.
2. Redo the round with scores and player imbalance set at the time of the crash.
3. Redo the entire match.
4. Play a half/partial match to 50 points in place of the crashed one.

I wish this was an easier discussion. This might be one of those things that come down to a vote because there is so much potential for players to feel cheated. We don't want that.


Regarding imbalance of teams, we need a little more detail on this proposition. Resetting the scores is easy enough, but how are we to create the imbalance? Players suicide at the beginning of the round? An administrator kills them after the round starts? I don't think players should be forced to spec then rejoin and shuffle since that wouldn't normally happen in the match. Ideally we should come up with a solution that doesn't require admin intervention. All players should understand and agree to keep the event moving at a good pace.

[ElmosWorld]

Ideally we should come up with a solution that doesn't require admin intervention.

We need an admin to reset the scores anyway.

[matchbox53]

Ideally we should come up with a solution that doesn't require admin intervention.

We need an admin to reset the scores anyway.

if you want to reset the scores just use /admin start_new_match

[INW]

reset scores meaning put them back to where they were before the crash?

[Concord]

just start the match over, no one wants a repeat of the 2008 world series.

well phillies fans do, but that's something else

[Gonzap]

Regarding imbalance of teams, we need a little more detail on this proposition. Resetting the scores is easy enough, but how are we to create the imbalance? Players suicide at the beginning of the round? An administrator kills them after the round starts? I don't think players should be forced to spec then rejoin and shuffle since that wouldn't normally happen in the match. Ideally we should come up with a solution that doesn't require admin intervention. All players should understand and agree to keep the event moving at a good pace.

To be fair I think it should be a normal start, whenever their def is perfectly build, the 2 players that were dead before (you can take a screenshot when u notice the server crash so u know scores and players alive/dead) just suicide. Or they can simple tell an admin to admin kill them when their def is set and everything's fine.

This way the team's imbalance remains, and you don't take the risk of being outspeeded/centered/holed too soon. The opposite team has to also be patient and not try any aggressive tactic. Fair play for the win.

[syllabear]

98-60

Crash

Reset match to 0-0.

Sounds fair to me

[dariv]

98-60

Crash

Reset match to 0-0.

Sounds fair to me

Resetting the score is not fundamentally unfair, because the time of crash is not correlated to the score, nor does the crash itself bestow a direct advantage to one team over another.

Setting scores to pre-crash values (but not resetting positions) appears to make sense but what if you're losing 94-98 with a 3v1 player advantage? Then the winning team before the crash becomes the losing team after the crash (as opposed to the winning team before the crash becoming the drawing team before the crash, if scores are reset).

Admins giving points out to match the pre-crash score sounds fair, but it's really just a weak attempt at pretending the crash never happened. At best it roughly works out, at worst, there are disagreements about what the score is (eg. what if it crashes during a torp?)

[apparition]

Very well done mym! I read the CT reviewed commentary of your matches vs CT this morning and was impressed Wish I could have been there.