World to end May 21st(this Saturday)

[sinewav]

If you're sitting on crucial knowledge that would change my belief, go on and share!

No. Stay asleep. Trust me. Remember, I was once like you. (Actually, I've been pulling your leg the whole time. God is awesome.)

[Kijutsu]

Neither. God approves of marriage between one man and one woman. That would, by default, make homosexuality a sin. Wait so gay people are sinners and straight people aren't? Actually, my bible says we're all sinners. There's also no ranking system for sins, so to speak, so homosexuals aren't better or worse than any other sinner. Homosexuality is against God's will, but so is a lot of other stuff.

Cop out answer, as expected.

Do you think being gay is a sin? (It's a yes or no answer, incase you were wondering.)

And yes this is a trick question.

[chrisd]

On top of that, I also know that there are smart, educated people that believe the bible [....]

O dear..... believing "smart, educated people". The financial crisis was caused by a lot of "smart, educated people" who could even calculate that such an event was extremely unlikely and were taking insane risk on the basis of that. A person can never stop thinking for himself and any talk of "smart, educated people" in any field should raise the red flag immediately.

[chrisd]

So what are you, a homophobe or a hypocrite?

Neither. God approves of marriage between one man and one woman. That would, by default, make homosexuality a sin. Wait so gay people are sinners and straight people aren't? Actually, my bible says we're all sinners. There's also no ranking system for sins, so to speak, so homosexuals aren't better or worse than any other sinner. Homosexuality is against God's will, but so is a lot of other stuff.

Titan says "neither". From his answer I deduce "both".

Everybody who still has left an ounce of wisdom anywhere look at this and shiver. Here we see what holding a self-deprecative view of humans does to a person.

What if a giraffe were to tell you that giraffes suck? Would one not send the animal to the giraffe-psychiatrist immediately? Why would it be any different for humans?

[Kijutsu]

Admittedly didn't read that well enough, thanks for pointing it out chrisd.

So yeah titan, you're basically a homophobe if you think that's a sin.

[Olive]

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the 'we are christian, we are better' feeling just drips off your posts.

If you'd like, I'd just pinpoint some questions for you to answer, and the morally correct answers would defy your religion.

[Titanoboa]

On top of that, I also know that there are smart, educated people that believe the bible [....]

O dear..... believing "smart, educated people".

Did you even read what I said? I never said the primary reason for believing in the bible was because "smart, educated people" do, my faith in the bible starts with my faith in Jesus. And did you even read what conclusion I'm making? Did I state that I believe these "smart, educated people"? No, I said I think the healthy thing to do would be to find out as much as I can about it.

The financial crisis was caused by a lot of "smart, educated people"

I'd argue that it was caused by smart, educated people with ill motives if anything.
That is also why Harold Camping isn't credible. Even if his bs wasn't so see-through, one could just look at what kind of profit he's making from it.

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the 'we are christian, we are better' feeling just drips off your posts.

If you'd like, I'd just pinpoint some questions for you to answer, and the morally correct answers would defy your religion.

Well I'm sorry about that then, that's probably because of my inability to properly express my thoughts. I've never tried to make it look like I'm better because I'm christian, and I'm not trying to be condescending towards anyone.

Sure, kgo ask.

[Cody <3]

Homosexuality is not a sin.

I don't think god will send a man to hell for loving another man.

If he does, then I don't like your god.


Tit can you please point out in the bible where it says "homosexuals are sinners, and go to hell"

[Titanoboa]

Did some quick googling for you Cody

There are those who like to say that the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Various verses are cited (out of context) and the verses that people use to show that homosexuality is wrong are explained away. The world wants to change God's words and meanings into something more suitable to its sinful desires. Nevertheless, the truth stands: The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. Let's look at what it says.

* Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
* Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
* 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
* Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.

Ooooooooooh so all Christians are homophobes? I disagree. The same site continues:

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.

As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same as you would for any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else with whom you come in contact. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially-acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.

[Phytotron]

OK, we've already gone over why the "hate the sin, love the sinner" mantra is complete, still dehumanising bullshit. Dig up my comments on it, if you like.

And, apparently, you do want to start quoting OT vileness. Okee-doke.

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

From your [forum posts] I can tell have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and Unchanging.

"I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."--Genesis 3:16

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."--1 Tim. 2:11-14


Genesis 2:22, 3:16, 19:1-8
Exodus 20:17, 21:7-11, 22:18, 38:8
Leviticus 12:1-14, 12:4-7, 15:19-23, 19:20-22
Numbers 1:2, 5:13-31, 31:16-35
Deuteronomy 21:11-14, 22:5, 22:13-21, 22:23-24, 22:28-29, 24:1, 25:11-12
Judges 11:30-40, 19:22-29
I Kings 11:1-4
Job 14:1-4
Proverbs 7:9-27, 11:22
Isaiah 3:16-17
Ezekiel 16:45
Matthew 24:19
Luke 2:22
I Corinthians 11:3-15, 14:34-35
Ephesians 5:22-33
Colossians 3:18
I Timothy 2:9, 2:11-14

Shall we go further into quoting your XXX-rated Bible?

[Titanoboa]

Lol'd, nice.

From your [forum posts] I can tell have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Sounds like you manage quite well on your own! Mind if I join the public stoning? I've never been to one.

[Word]

about women

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, ...

[Phytotron]

So, deflection aside, will you or won't you stand by those quotes as you do the ones you posted?

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Yeah, and that is horrible and thoroughly objectionable, as well.

[Word]

You know that principles like "an eye for an eye" were written to establish some sort of justice. At that time, that was less primitive than it sounds today. Many things said in the Old Testament were later taken back by Jesus.

Yeah, and that is horrible and thoroughly objectionable, as well.

as long as you don't feel encouraged to exploit nature it's probably one of the first environmental pleas. "be a gardener/you're more powerful than animals so protect them" , for what it's worth.

[Kijutsu]

Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.

I've lost all respect for you, tool.