Concord wrote:this game is really suited better for league play than a tournament, too much at once gets really boring in my opinion (and 3v3 is small enough to realistically have weekly matches or something)
I think that is a good idea.
Having two 3v3 sumo tourneys (as some people want the old map, and some people want the new map) would definitely be too much, but a league with the new map and a big WST tourney with the old map could work well together. The league doesn't even have to be big to be successful. 6 teams of 3(plus subs) would definitely make a good enough league.
If someone makes a smart enough system, the big WST tourney can be held at the end of the league's season, or mid-season too if the season is long. I'm not the one you should look to for that though, plus I can't initiate/admin this league, unfortunately .
Since when does Desolate speak for the community? Over 50 posts were cast, I'm sure people don't mind. The majority was for the new map so just use the new map, whoever doesn't want to play can create their own tournament with that old shitty boring map. Et voila.
vogue wrote:...whoever doesn't want to play can create their own tournament with that old shitty boring map.
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Even though I don't play this game I think a new map would be good. I remember when we made the map it was to try something new, a hybrid of fortress and sumo. However, "the grind" didn't make a significant difference in gameplay, and there was no new strategies developed. The fort/sumo hybrid eventually became just another sumo tourney. And that's perfectly cool. It should evolve with the players.
I think we should take this further, and compile a range of sumo maps; such as the two in question, TST, 1 v 1 sumo, Titan's untested sumo idea and future sumo map ideas (and any others that I've forgotten to mention) and have a 'season' of sumo, i.e. fixtures for the tournaments to occur over the course of a long time period (anything from one month to a year).
As mentioned, some of these might be better suited for a league, others for a knock-out tournaments, but we could do it all. Currently the only dedicated fixture we have is the ladle. I know we struggle to get many productive things achieved on here (this being one of three threads discussing whether to keep both or scrap the original WST), but with a lot of cooperation and positive compromise, I think we could achieve something a bit larger scale.
SO, here is an entirely hypothetical 'tronic season' for you to get an understanding of what I'm putting on the table:
[Every Wednesday, the Fortress Showcase occurs. Pickup runs as normal, to be organised by players]
January
1st Sun - Ladle
2nd Sun -
3rd Sun - WST (Original Map)
4th Sun - TST
February
1st Sun - Ladle
2nd Sun - WST (New Map)
3rd Sun - 1v1 Sumo
4th Sun - (Alternative fort competition?)
March
1st Sun - Ladle
2nd Sun -
3rd Sun - Titan Emphas Sumo
4th Sun - TST
Gaps left to have weeks without competitive play/try out new competitions
There are 9999 questions to be answered. How do we structure this, on wikis or one central website? How long should a season be? Is this even feasible? Do we have structured teams for a season and an overall 'winner' at the end or just have a series of events? How regularly should more/less popular tournaments be held? What about other game modes, HR, CTF etc.? etc etc etc.
This would essentially be centralising the loose player-run tournaments into a systematic list of games to be played over a periodic cycle. Perhaps we are too young as a community to be thinking of establshing something along these lines, so it might be good thought for the future as we expand and develop game modes and tournaments. What are your thoughts?
vogue wrote:The majority was for the new map so just use the new map, whoever doesn't want to play can create their own tournament with that old shitty boring map. Et voila.
Why should this new shitty map replace the old one? Just create a new tourney with this map.
It's not like if a new map's made, the old one must be banned or something.
Otherwise there are too many tournaments, imo. The poll showed the little demand for the old map too so it's not even worth it. I think we should respect whatever the tourney admins decide to do because they are the ones running it, like I said, you miss that old map THAT much? Create your own tournament.
We had the tournament under the pretence that the WST would adopt the new map if overwhelming support for it was shown by the participants. That support was shown. I don't see what the problem is?
Disgruntled latecomers may not like the map, but they should show the respect to accept that their position is in the minority...
Titanoboa wrote:Having two 3v3 sumo tourneys (as some people want the old map, and some people want the new map) would definitely be too much, but a league with the new map and a big WST tourney with the old map could work well together.
Leagues don't work, this has been proven time and time again. Look at the poll, a small minority of people want the old map and a BIG majority wants the new one...... agree with dariv's post.
But this argument is so ridiculous! I kind of agree with you liz, those who want the map should organise it. I also think those who want the other map should organise tournaments with that map. That's how it works.. ? (Which if anyone cared to comment on my previous post, it makes that much clear).
All tournaments are organised by individuals, so it's ridiculous to try and dictate which maps that individual should and shouldn't use. Further, sumo is very different to fort in that fort is a platform in which players can experiment with style of play - from tactics to formations to whatever. There is a much clearer optimum choice of physics which occasionally get tweaked in order to cater for this (and any dramatic changes within the game mode itself, like the shrinking of hole sizes). In sumo, the style of play is far more defined by the map itself. Therefore, we can't find the perfect map, as everyone likes different styles of sumo. So some maps are better for mazing, some are better for camping and attacking etc.
The majority prefer the new one, so let's play that. Some prefer the old one, so let's also play that. I don't think any of you get any choice in whether I organise a tournament with the old map, and you certainly don't have to play. I look forward to playing both!
I mean I think 1v1 sumo sucks, but it doesn't mean we should play TST over it everytime.. It just means I won't be playing in that tournament
@Titan: I think a league could work if someone was prepared to operate the table and create it (it is a lot of work). But I don't agree that two different WST tournaments is too much... There are 3 (sometimes 4) non-ladle Sunday nights to fit either one or two WST tournaments in. If you think two is too much in one month, alternate it each month?
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