Ladle Team "The Immortals" Want to play :>

[Mkay1]

Cody: this is me responding to your pm on behalf of uNk.team; do not accept your challenge, TI's request gets passed on to the next bye.

[sinewav]

Regardless of whether it was careless planning, they clearly broke the rules. Why set rules if you won't enforce them?

Because no one wants to enforce them. We have a system in place to deal with type of event, but it has never been used (well it was used partially once). Feel free to put Cody on trial if you'd like, but before you do, please consider the following:

Everything Cody is doing right now is out in the open and done with our guidance. He's clearly not doing anything malicious. He's trying to make the greatest amount of fun for the greatest amount of people Sure, it's a little sketchy with the splitting up of teams and rearranging of players, but I believe this is also because they want to be as competitive as possible. Can you blame them? Isn't it more fun for everyone when the competition is adequate?

And, he really hasn't broken a rule yet. I wouldn't consider this a fault until Ladle starts. There is time to correct any problems, now. Remember, he came to us, here, asking for assistance.

One possible compromise might be to split the teams in half depending on the original sign up with the front half on one team and back half on another. That would split them as so:

Team 1: Red, Arilou, Killer, Chah, Tsugaru, AvA, Soapy, Alpha
Team 2: Robo, Compguygene, Cody, BoXeD, Mac&Cheese, Oddeuro, aScene

Given that starting point, they could still be allowed to change 2 players each to make their teams. Is this fair? I think so. But I also think letting them make two solid teams is better for all of us.

You decide. We all decide. The first team that accepts their late entry becomes their sponsor.

[apparition]

Just have The Immortals play Immortal Dynasty. Problem solved.

[Nelhybel]

uNa volunteers to accept you guys as an opponent in the opening round and give up our bye - of course, if that is alright with you guys and the organizers.

[INW]

The biggest problem with the rules and them being enforced is that the ladle lacks any "Leadership" and "authority". Somewhat like having a country with laws but no police or having a country with no government to enforce the laws.

What the ladle really needs is a "committee" that makes final decisions on stuff and what they say, goes. Of course chosen by the community to enforce the rules accordingly.

[apparition]

What the ladle really needs is a "committee" that makes final decisions on stuff and what they say, goes. Of course chosen by the community to enforce the rules accordingly.

I think it is time that there is some sort of ladle committee, A small group of individuals that can take care of problems and come to some solution, hopefully before the incidences come to the forums.
-From "Ladle 37 - Discussion Thread"

If you look through there I tried to get people considering a Ladle Committee seriously, but no one really thought it was worth the hassle.

And yeah, now that I think about it, having ID play ID would be a bad idea. It'd be giving themselves a chance to see which team is the better team and letting them advance. Nelhybel is right. Play uNa.

Regardless, the rules should be written to give more flexibility to this situation.

[INW]

What the ladle really needs is a "committee" that makes final decisions on stuff and what they say, goes. Of course chosen by the community to enforce the rules accordingly.

I think it is time that there is some sort of ladle committee, A small group of individuals that can take care of problems and come to some solution, hopefully before the incidences come to the forums.
-From "Ladle 37 - Discussion Thread"

If you look through there I tried to get people considering a Ladle Committee seriously, but no one really thought it was worth the hassle.

Yes. That is what I was getting the committee thing from. I remembered a small discussion about it. I think after a while of nothing being enforced and teams "getting away" with things, more attention will be brought upon the topic.

But for now, I guess there isn't THAT much support.

[Overrated]

Because no one wants to enforce them. We have a system in place to deal with type of event, but it has never been used (well it was used partially once). Feel free to put Cody on trial if you'd like, but before you do, please consider the following:

Everything Cody is doing right now is out in the open and done with our guidance. He's clearly not doing anything malicious. He's trying to make the greatest amount of fun for the greatest amount of people Sure, it's a little sketchy with the splitting up of teams and rearranging of players, but I believe this is also because they want to be as competitive as possible. Can you blame them? Isn't it more fun for everyone when the competition is adequate?

Okay, so it was used, sort of, once? This sounds like something obsolete to the entire system. How long have these guidelines been there? If they've been here for quite a few ladles, then there has to have been more than a "sorta" used once. I know there's been at least two times that this should have been consulted, yet most likely never was.

And, I don't want to use this for Cody, I just don't think what they did was fair considering in previous ladles this tactic was allegedly used by SP to get an "easier" way to the finals. And I mean the swapping of players, not the late entering and then swapping.

And, he really hasn't broken a rule yet. I wouldn't consider this a fault until Ladle starts. There is time to correct any problems, now. Remember, he came to us, here, asking for assistance.

So you're saying we can change rosters moment before the ladle starts and this will be okay? I know there are rules saying that that cannot be done, but that comment is open for other interpretations.

Also, he didn't ask before he took players off of the other team, he did it and then asked. That is something that should have been asked before done, am I wrong there? A team can say, "okay, we'll play you" because of the line-up they're presenting, and when that line-up gets flipped with players they didn't expect because of misleading on the ladle page, what are you going to do now? That team gets to play a team they wouldn't have played otherwise.

And again, I don't mind their team coming in, but signing up with a specific team, then moving players from another team is essentially changing everything.

One possible compromise might be to split the teams in half depending on the original sign up with the front half on one team and back half on another. That would split them as so:

Team 1: Red, Arilou, Killer, Chah, Tsugaru, AvA, Soapy, Alpha
Team 2: Robo, Compguygene, Cody, BoXeD, Mac&Cheese, Oddeuro, aScene

Given that starting point, they could still be allowed to change 2 players each to make their teams. Is this fair? I think so. But I also think letting them make two solid teams is better for all of us.

Set it up like that, and okay. Now if ID wants, they have two teams and like many other big clans, can potentially stack one team with their best players if they find a certain path easier for them to win. How is that fair? It's not. Balancing them and having this rule that they can trade players for up to two changes gives advantages to others. Example. If unk wanted to do it, don't you think they could? All of their players are really good, but some are better at certain positions than others. By balancing their teams the way they did, if they had a certain bracket where they have this "easier" path to the finals, then personally I'd use it because of how the ladle is set up.

I honestly do not mind them at all playing, I just think the way they handled things was poorly. Deadlines are set for a reason. They've had a couple weeks to get their teams organized and set them up on the ladle page. If they're late on signing up, then they should have to suffer some sort of consequence if a team is going to allow them to play. Whether it be them not having some of the privileges that other teams have (this player swap thing) or something else, there should be something that goes against them. An example of that would be the SAT's in the US, or at least my encounter with them. It's this amount of money (x) to pay to take them and there is a deadline for when you can do that. If you miss that deadline, you have to pay x + this certain amount of money (y) for being late to signing up. So if you were on time, you could have payed x, but because you're late, you have to play x+y. Resulting in more cost. So why not implement something similar here for being late to the sign-up?

[looked through rules, didn't want to edit]
You can only swap one player with another team, because then you'll be removing one player (first action) and then adding that specific player to the group (second action). So only two actions can be performed per team. I'm pretty sure the Immortals team did more than two actions. And so did Immortal Dynasty team if you want to be technical. If I'm wrong on that part, I'll apologize for that mistake, but for now, that seems to be breaking the rules.

What the ladle really needs is a "committee" that makes final decisions on stuff and what they say, goes. Of course chosen by the community to enforce the rules accordingly.

I think it is time that there is some sort of ladle committee, A small group of individuals that can take care of problems and come to some solution, hopefully before the incidences come to the forums.
-From "Ladle 37 - Discussion Thread"

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+1

[Clutch]

I really don't understand what the huge deal is. We aren't maliciously planning some evil deed. We just want to have as many members play as possible (Keep in mind that people join clans for competition). All of our members want to have a bit of fun, and win or lose, the ladle IS fun. If a team with a Bye wants to play us, I don't understand what the big deal is.

Maybe some of you are taking the Ladle a bit too seriously. To quote compguygene's signature (He might've changed it since I last saw it) Armagetron: It's a game we should all just play and enjoy. We just want to have some fun.

[sinewav]

I wouldn't consider this a fault until Ladle starts.

So you're saying we can change rosters moment before the ladle starts and this will be okay? I know there are rules saying that that cannot be done, but that comment is open for other interpretations.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm pointing out that if someone makes a mistake before Ladle, and we catch it, those people have an opportunity to correct their mistake. No harm done.

And to make sure we have no harm done here, I would like to suggest Team Immortal finalize their roster before any team allows them to take a bye spot. This becomes a gamble for Team Immortal AND Immortal Dynasty. If Team Immortal fields too strong of a team, then we all have the power to say, "no thank you, I'll keep my bye." All those players in Team Immortal (TI) sit out and can't join Immortal Dynasty. And, there is nothing that says a bye team has to give a speedy reply. They can keep TI hanging until the last minute. That kind of gamble leaves them no advantage whatsoever.

And to those bye teams considering giving up their slot: are you sure you want to give it up to an unknown roster of players? Get a final line-up before you decide, please.

[Cody <3]

Let me start from the beginning so no one thinks we're switching rosters.

Red(our fort leader) Made the fort team(look at history) and then made a Ladle lineup on OUR forums which was:

Red,Robo,Mac&Cheese,Ava,Tsugaru,Chah.

Now that left out a lot of us who WILL be able to show up SUNDAY
Reds poor communication told us who was playing for the line up after BRACKETS were up.

Like I said this left 5+ of us who can show up Sunday without a team.

So I then gathered the rest of ID'ers are said I'm making a 2nd team and hopefully they'll let us play

The team is: Me,Arilou,Oddeuro,Compguy,Alpha,Strawbs/killer

Now on our forums its kinda heck tik

Cause RED stated who he wanted to play, so Arilou went ahead and added those people who weren't playing for Immortal Dynasty then on to The Immortals(cause red pissed some of us off tbh)

This isn't for cheating purposes, anyone who knows me I've been playing ladle since L18 and never once have I tried to find loop holes.


So since Unk denied us, can we go ahead and edit the bracket accordingly?

[LucK]

Not going to lie it's kind of a bitch move on unks part. It's ladle everyone wants to play and if given the opportunity I hope if unk signs up late that whoever decides denies them the opportunity to play.

[Nelhybel]

uNa volunteers to accept you guys as an opponent in the opening round and give up our bye - of course, if that is alright with you guys and the organizers.

[wildcat]

You all make stuff to complicated. We dont need a committee and blah blah. We need ppl to step up, organize, and not try to change things up last minute. They give teams weeks to get organized. Why try to change it up in the last day? IMO, this is a ID problem, not a ladle problem.

Im with appa, play each other. Why disadvantage other teams b/c of a spurt of the moment idea? Might sound harsh, but its the truth .

[Cody <3]

uNa volunteers to accept you guys as an opponent in the opening round and give up our bye - of course, if that is alright with you guys and the organizers.

Nel thanks for this, But we will be following the guide lines and going down the line of Byes in the correct order, and ~bye 2~ was tu and they accepted.

I'm fixing the whole arilou putting the roster on the Immortals to the correct 6 people showing up.

I've went ahead and corrected this change and as you guys can see this has been put to the original way it should of been, now am I aloud to edit the bracket since Syllabear has accepted us since he has the ~bye 2~ ?(ill even wait so he can see the correct team)