Ladle 39

[arilou]

The only team that might complain about it is ID. Also, uNk isn't mainly Euro; we have enough players from either continent to sub-in whoever is more appropriate. SPeeders and TX can do that too.

Complain? We'll just get our euro members to play in it. They'll be the ones to show up for it. Wouldn't make sense to play in a Denmark server with a 220+ ping now would it?

[þsy]

isn't the server used in the finals alernated each month between US/EU?

Ladle 39 US ?
Ladle 38 US
Ladle 37 EU
Ladle 36 US
Ladle 35 EU
Ladle 34 US
Ladle 33 EU

[syllabear]

38 was in Zmans. I.e. an EU server.

[Titanoboa]

http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php? ... enge_Board

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Odd numbered ladles have Finals played in a US server.
Even numbered ladles have Finals played in a EU server.

regardless of what server was actually used last ladle - it's the main (bolded) server that counts.

PS. psy, I think your memory is playing tricks on you. http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php? ... ast_Ladles

[þsy]

sorry, i meant semi-finals (so top bracket should be US and bottom bracket EU)

this pattern has been followed as far back as ladle 23, has it been random thus far or is this something thats been decided on and should be continued this ladle?

[LucK]

heh really didn't think it mattered. I didn't see anything about it on the regulations page so...

[PokeMaster]

Wouldn't make sense to play in a Denmark server with a 220+ ping now would it?

Just watch me.

[sinewav]

Wouldn't make sense to play in a Denmark server with a 220+ ping now would it?

I don't have a problem with a ping that high, as long as it's stable. More rubber for me to cheat with, haha.

Also, I don't see anything wrong with the way the servers are listed at all. And I'm not sure there is a strong case for bias regarding seeding, but we can certainly have a discussion about it. All of the servers we use have been tested over and over again. I don't believe in any real "advantage" when it comes to the server location since all the teams are mixed players.

[gawdzilla]

I hate the lag excuse, I hate "omg look at my ping". The only time you can complain is when its fluctuating, but if its a stable ping and its only high because you're far away.... then no, shut up.

[-*inS*-]

sorry, i meant semi-finals (so top bracket should be US and bottom bracket EU)

this pattern has been followed as far back as ladle 23, has it been random thus far or is this something thats been decided on and should be continued this ladle?

It's not random lol, this was my point. It's been there for awhile and it also prevents placement of the servers to help/hurt certain teams.

[LucK]

Heh honestly I just put the servers on there. I couldn't be biased the teams aren't added until after the servers are put on (which I think is the real preventer of helping/hurting teams). Yea the seeded teams are put on there but the way I do it when I put the servers on is if the finals are in a euro server then the first server I add is a euro server. I didn't do it in a biased way I just tried to keep the better servers farther away from each other that way we can use the best servers throughout the tourney instead of having to use a bad server in say the semi-finals.

[Titanoboa]

I think and hope nobody questioned your decisions luck; there'd be plenty more objections then.

It'd be nice to have a system for future ladles though.
.randomservers on irc or something* would be nice. there are 4 US and 4 EU servers needed. if we list them by importance, for example .randomteam EU1 EU2 EU3 EU4 US1 US2 US3 US4 where EU/US1 will be final servers, and 3 & 4 will only be used in opening round, then backup in quarters.
That's my mental sketch, and it's good except for the fact that there'll be unnecessary switching between rounds, and it'll be useless once we have more than 24 teams. I'm sure one of you geniuses** can modify my idea to make it work.

* yes i realize it might be time consuming to create, and i won't back down from helping as much as I can.
** not meant to be sarcastic.

[-*inS*-]

Yeah i realize it was an honest mistake but the cause of it is irrelevant, what matters is that the servers got switched which should be fixed. The point is we wish to keep to the original pattern.

[sinewav]

Yeah i realize it was an honest mistake but the cause of it is irrelevant, what matters is that the servers got switched which should be fixed. The point is we wish to keep to the original pattern.

Can we get a copy of the IRC logs for that day? It has always been customary for the bracket editor to have their work approved by the community present in the channel, as a measure of quality control. If there was no one available to look over the work of the bracket editor, then we only have ourselves to blame collectively. In the future, if you have a concern about the brackets, you should visit the channel at the time the brackets are randomized and filled.

But as far as "mistakes" go, this isn't one at all. The brackets definitely fulfill the requirement "servers must flow smoothly and not have too many unnecessary switches". There is no rule that says which servers should be "on top", US or EU - and there shouldn't be. This is bordering on minutia, and it's a bit embarrassing. I stand against further edits to the Challenge Board at this time. If you want to campaign for a new rule for servers then go right ahead.

[INW]

Me and syre did the brackets.

I mixed up the seeded teams CTa and DA to be specific. I had them backwards so I just switched them around on the brackets sense they are fixed teams. http://crazy-tronners.com/kyle/random/r ... 173913.txt

http://havoc.ift.uni.wroc.pl/~p4/logs/a ... og#line-28