Mother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans

[Hoax]

er, would*
My point was that even if they were 99% sure it was *fixed* they would never say it. Wouldn't be worth the omg wtf but you said you'd fixed it if by the 1% it went tits up again

[akira]

If you would be actually interested, a quick logical thinking process or a google search would reveal that the cap can only be a temporary measure (probably in case of hurricanes) , likely to be tested right now. It cannot deviate enough oil so the pressure in the well is rising = actually bad for long term prospects. In fact, they even prolong the imperative drilling of relief wells for that PR-action.
Or, as some experts suggest, they cannot stop it, because the whole area is a highly volatile methane reservoir, which would make digging relief wells too risky.

Also there is almost zero press coverage about the usage of highly toxic dispersants by BP, which do nothing to stop the gush at all, but add to already unimaginable damage to the gulf. Why do they get away with that?

So instead of "optimistic" forum posts without any value, please educate yourself.

[Lord Pein]

Akira, is there some reason YOU are not doing something to help the situation, or are you?

[owned]

If you would be actually interested, a quick logical thinking process or a google search would reveal that the cap can only be a temporary measure (probably in case of hurricanes) , likely to be tested right now. It cannot deviate enough oil so the pressure in the well is rising = actually bad for long term prospects. In fact, they even prolong the imperative drilling of relief wells for that PR-action.
Or, as some experts suggest, they cannot stop it, because the whole area is a highly volatile methane reservoir, which would make digging relief wells too risky.

Also there is almost zero press coverage about the usage of highly toxic dispersants by BP, which do nothing to stop the gush at all, but add to already unimaginable damage to the gulf. Why do they get away with that?

So instead of "optimistic" forum posts without any value, please educate yourself.

Some experts? Is there any more vague statement than that? People are optimistic now because the cap has blocked oil for leaking into the gulf. Of course it's a temporary measure, everyone knows that. It's there to block the oil until the relief wells can be dug. I'd like to see your sources that say digging a relief well would cause an explosion in the gulf.

[Phytotron]

Again, folks need to actually read the body of the reports instead of just speculating or plain making shit up. (Or listening to conspiracy theory, or accepting BP's P.R. at face value—doing either is intellectual foolishness.) For cryin' out loud: http://www.ap.org/oil_spill/

The cap is presently undergoing pressure tests. Rising pressure is (probably) a good thing. A low or falling pressure would indicate either a leak in the well itself, or from the reservoir into the surrounding bedrock on the sea floor. A reading above 7,500 psi would indicate the pipe is not leaking.

However, the initial pressure readings were rising more slowly than expected. There are already debates on what that might indicate. Good scenarios: the source reservoir is running lower three months into the spill, or the pipe still has integrity but there's just some blockage slowing the oil. Bad scenarios: there could be an undiscovered leak far down in the well, or the well could be leaking out underground into the surrounding bedrock. Worse scenario: ...and entering a geological pocket that might not be able to hold it, resulting in an underground blowout. But it's too early to tell. All of this is only preliminary at this point.

No one has made a declaration one way or the other as to the success of this cap. (Though by the time some are reading this tomorrow there may be.)

The cap is not the end fix, was never said to be, and has nothing to do with hurricanes. The cap is designed to either act as a temporary cork holding back the oil, or can capture it and pipe it to ships on the surface. The results of the pressure test, still underway, will determine which. Or, if the readings go badly, if one of the bad scenarios turns out to be occurring, then they may have to remove the cap altogether and let oil continue to spill unabated.

The relief well(s) and the subsequent pumping of mud and concrete into the damaged well (i.e., "bottom kill") are the presumed ultimate solutions. The digging of the two relief wells has been in progress for months now, and the first is scheduled to be complete by the end of July or August.

With respect to the chemical dispersants: Yes, it's underreported (though by no means unreported) by the mainstream media. No, it never should have gone into use. However, it was never meant to "stop the gush," but rather break down and disperse the oil. Hence the word "dispersant," not "clogger."

And yes, even if and when the leak is ultimately stopped for good, there already is massive, unprecedented, horrific damage that's been done. Anyone acting like plugging the gusher is the end of the story, that all will then be well and we can put on big dumb stupid grins and move on is a fool.



And Mecca, as usual, makes the useless, jerky post echoing the one of the same character he already made on the second page.

[Lord Pein]

Sorry if that bothers you, Phytotron, but many people seem to feel so strongly about this event, yet are doing absolutely nothing to help the situation.

My logic: Do something to help the situation or stop complaining about the ones who are. If you think the current temporary solution is not a good one, you should be prepared to present one that is.

[sinewav]

Do something to help the situation or stop complaining about the ones who are.

Everyone has a right to complain about this. The topic itself is a kind of invitation to complain. Forum media is a place for information AND discussion.

This disaster affects everyone, but not everyone can help directly. Most of us lack the experience necessary to do deep sea repairs. Most of us aren't trained to drive robotic submersibles. And even the more basic clean up needs can't be done by people who live impracticaly far away from the Gulf Coast.

However, Akira is more than qualified to remind everyone to sharpen their critical thinking skills. The better we understand the situation, the better we act on it. Akira IS doing something to help by prompting us to look deeper at it.

And if anyone wants to help with the spill and pacify mecca at the same time, the following resource appears to be a reliable avenue toward getting active in the clean up process: http://www.gulfoilspilljobs.com/

[Clutch]

I have question!

I haven't really been following this so i have to ask..is there only one spot that has oil flowing out of it? And if there is, wouldn't putting a cap on it just make the pressure build and build until it like, explodes?

[Phytotron]

I have a question! Why don't you read the resources I've provided in this thread and answer those questions for yourself?

[Clutch]

Because it's much easier for someone to answer "Yes Boxed there is another leak" or "no boxed there isn't another leak" Instead of reading through a news page that to be honest, I'm not interested in enough to go through. =/ I was just wondering about one part of this. If you had answered this already could have been resolved

[owned]

Because it's much easier for someone to answer "Yes Boxed there is another leak" or "no boxed there isn't another leak" Instead of reading through a news page that to be honest, I'm not interested in enough to go through. =/ I was just wondering about one part of this. If you had answered this already could have been resolved

From the best information available, all of the leak has been covered in the cap. There is a small possibility however that there is another leak. If there is one though, we haven't found it yet. The pressure has slowly been rising with the cap, but it won't rise to dangerous levels before the permanent solution: the relief wells are in place.

[Clutch]

Oh alright I get it now thanks owned

[Phytotron]

If you had answered this already could have been resolved

I already did. Look up 3 posts from your initial question.

Reading is hard.

[Word]

i just read the news. now they have found a second leak.

[Clutch]

Are they just going to put a cap on that too? O.o