You want new features?

Luke-Jr · Post by **Luke-Jr** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:08 pm

Was just reading the recent (locked) TR2N Origins thread... and one semi-myth that didn't seem to be addressed is this idea that Armagetron rejects features. I don't think that has in fact ever happened as implied. The reality is, if someone/anyone (including Manta, et al) wants to write the (clean, workable) code for something new, they're welcome to do so and submit a merge proposal. To date, not a single listed developer of TR2N Origins has ever done so.

What about people who can't program? Get someone who can interested in your idea. Or hire someone to implement it. Armagetron is free software, but not necessarily gratis software (free of charge/cost). While we don't charge for actually getting the game, doing actual work for people takes time. If we don't personally care to do it (or even if we do, but can't afford the time it would take), it's only reasonable to expect to be reimbursed for our time.

Bottom line: Anyone can improve Armagetron (without forking and sewing division)-- just don't expect it to get done by merely demanding someone else do it for you.

ItzAcid · Post by **ItzAcid** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:42 pm

Is it possible to create a list of movie packs to choose from in Armagetron? Tr2n has this, and I found it to be a really cool feature. It's not necessary of course, but I personally like it.

Luke-Jr · Post by **Luke-Jr** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:52 pm

ItzAcid wrote:Is it possible to create a list of movie packs to choose from in Armagetron?

It's possible. Someone could write the code and submit a merge proposal. It's not something I am personally interested in doing, even if I had the time.

However, something to keep in mind: it has been a planned feature for some time to allow the server some degree of control over object models, textures, and such, using the resource system. So maps could specify what the floors and walls and zones *look like*, not just their positions. This obviously conflicts to a limited degree with moviepacks, so anything enhancing moviepacks in this way should take this into consideration. I recall a draft of a new moviepack resource format that defines various things (textures, colours, models) for defaults which can be overridden. But on the other hand, a CSS-based model might work better for various reasons that come to mind, too.

That's another way non-programmers could help get their idea finished, possibly-- design a rational format for these general concepts.

apparition · Post by **apparition** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:56 pm

Well then maybe we should officially make Armagetron a business and you should all list your prices.

In fact, please reference the Armagetron Marketplace thread here!

Luke-Jr · Post by **Luke-Jr** » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:08 pm

apparition wrote:Well then maybe we should officially make Armagetron a business and you should all list your prices.

In fact, please reference the Armagetron Marketplace thread here!

More like each individual is a sole proprietorship, offering competing-and-cooperative services. I offer hosting and custom coding. dlh offers stats and custom coding. etc. A marketplace might not be a bad idea, if there was actual interest-- but unfortunately, the bounty polls I created suggest a significant lack of interest in funding development.

apparition · Post by **apparition** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:01 am

Better than an interest poll would be an actual marketplace area of the boards where people can show off their goods and people could buy through an outside system. Add what features you could unlock on the forums for a price for example. Seriously present a feasible and exciting new feature or "product" and make it available. I'm not terribly interested in buying an idea or a dream. Get Word's service showcased, compguy/Luke's hosting, dlh's abilities. Open a section where Liz could pimp out some video making/Youtube services! Lacka could do something cool with a site designing service maybe. Concord could offer his copy writing or reporting skills. Sine could offer his voice for commentation. If you don't start this up quick, I will and I'm gonna call it appa's Armagetron Marketplace.

Concord · Post by **Concord** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:43 am

It might work as trading. For example, if a more stylized website was something Luke valued, he might trade some code for someone to work on dashjr.org

kyle · Post by **kyle** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:16 am

just like firstov3 made a map for me, and i'm still (when i have time again) working on the script for this.

Luke-Jr · Post by **Luke-Jr** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:35 am

apparition wrote:Better than an interest poll would be an actual marketplace area of the boards where people can show off their goods and people could buy through an outside system.

The "interest poll" is a simple way to draft what the results would be. Result (thus far): too little interest to fund development of CTF, 0.4, or mumble support. Adding PayPal/whatever integration to the "poll" won't fix that. Certainly nobody has stepped forward to foot the entire $1000-$2000 costs involved. Spending the $2000 worth of time up-front at my own expense and hoping people might reimburse me for it when I'm done might, but the risk is too high for me (or I wouldn't be making a bounty in the first place). In addition, I'd no doubt be labelled by some people as a jerk or worse for not releasing the already-existing code free of charge.

apparition · Post by **apparition** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:38 am

Concord wrote:It might work as trading. For example, if a more stylized website was something Luke valued, he might trade some code for someone to work on dashjr.org

Regardless of whether there are those who believe this will not function to actually exchange money for digital products/services, I believe it's more than worthy of our efforts.

Luke-Jr · Post by **Luke-Jr** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:45 am

apparition wrote:Regardless of whether there are those who believe this will not function to actually exchange money for digital products/services, I believe it's more than worthy of our efforts.

I believe the forum serves well enough to trial-run the marketplace without putting any explicit effort into something that might not be used.

ItzAcid · Post by **ItzAcid** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:26 am

I really like the idea appa

All I can really do (if i still have the skills) are various forms of graphics.

Concord · Post by **Concord** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:33 am

apparition wrote:
Concord wrote:It might work as trading. For example, if a more stylized website was something Luke valued, he might trade some code for someone to work on dashjr.org
Regardless of whether there are those who believe this will not function to actually exchange money for digital products/services, I believe it's more than worthy of our efforts.

certainly

apparition · Post by **apparition** » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:20 am

Luke-Jr wrote:The "interest poll" is a simple way to draft what the results would be. Result (thus far): too little interest to fund development of CTF, 0.4, or mumble support. Adding PayPal/whatever integration to the "poll" won't fix that. Certainly nobody has stepped forward to foot the entire $1000-$2000 costs involved. Spending the $2000 worth of time up-front at my own expense and hoping people might reimburse me for it when I'm done might, but the risk is too high for me (or I wouldn't be making a bounty in the first place). In addition, I'd no doubt be labelled by some people as a jerk or worse for not releasing the already-existing code free of charge.

Luke-Jr wrote:I believe the forum serves well enough to trial-run the marketplace without putting any explicit effort into something that might not be used.

Do you realize what you're saying? Let's just let whatever happens happen without putting any "explicit" effort into anything? Instead of expecting things to happen or hoping they'll happen on their own, how bout we try to make things happen? Pseudo-creating a bounty? Making threads asking if people will give money? That's obviously not doing any good. I want to see development, too. I want to see advancement and improvement just like so many other people in this community. Sorry that I don't code/program/script - I've chosen a different career path.

If you or anyone else want an "Armagetron Marketplace", or any other project that isn't worth DEV time, to succeed instead of die like everything else that dies around here, then effort must be put forth. If you don't want to or can't put any explicit effort into anything other than advanced underground development or that which satisfies you immediately, then relinquish/delegate responsibilities to people who have time to do some of this non-specialized work. There are many of us who are eager and willing to do good things, however insignificant they may be to some of the Project Gods.

apparition · Post by **apparition** » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:03 pm

Am I the only one who finds it weird that there has been no reply to my last comment? This is a pretty meaningful topic isn't it?

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