Best team/clan leader

[Clutch]

OV ALL TIME.]

/me giggles

and last time i checked gene can think whatever he wants about 9/11 and it definately shouldn't have an impact on the video game he plays =/

[compguygene]

OV ALL TIME.]

/me giggles

and last time i checked gene can think whatever he wants about 9/11 and it definately shouldn't have an impact on the video game he plays =/

Thank you for pointing out the obvious! My last words on this topic. I have never brought up my beliefs on these issues before, I have no intention of doing so again. I rarely if ever post about politics here. Why would I? I only posted what I said to demonstrate that I do think for myself. Also, what's wrong with teaching my kids to be independent thinkers. Just to clarify, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist, my beliefs are only based on scientific evidence and Government Documents that have been made public by FOIA (Freedom of Information Acts) requests. (For my non-American friends, FOIA is a law in the United States that allows a citizen to request, and sue if necessary documents from the United States Government).
But, I have no desire to enter into some debate about my beliefs, etc. This is NOT the forum for such debates!

[Phytotron]

Eh, politics and debate thereof has always been a part of this forum (even before I got here).

Independent thinking is worthless and devoid of virtue if that thinking is independent of reason, critical thinking, and empirical evidence. Put another way, there's such a thing as being so open-minded your brain drops out. 9/11 Truthers and the likes of the Christian Patriot movement, Republic Mag, private militias, etc. fall into this description.

My potential issue with Gene, pending clarification, is with the notion that servers I run are hosted by someone who is a bigot and supports violent actions, including but not limited to overthrow of the government.

I can work with a run-of-the-mill conservative or religious individual, but there are extremes of morality with which I cannot be associated, even within the context of a trivial video game.

[compguygene]

Ok. Let me explain. Just like Arabic people, just like Christians, people in the 9/11 truth movement and the Patriot movement do not all fit the stereotype. So, I shall take this post to begin to explain my views in more detail.
Let me start with the Patriot Movement. The people with whom I associate within the Patriot Movement are dissatisfied with the continuing abdication of Constitutional Rights by the United States Government. We do NOT condone violence in any form, only peaceful protest. We are not survivalists building up a ridiculous supply of weapons, waiting to shoot somebody. We are NOT bigots, and in fact think that those who would choose to divide Americans on the basis of race, ethnic origin, religion, or anything else are wrong to do so. For many reasons, the Patriot Movement has been quite besmirched in the mainstream media by the actions of people who have had no part whatsoever in the Patriot Movement. As the Govenment of the United States of America continues to do things which violate the Constitution, or limit rights stated therein, we merely try to educate as many as possible as to what is being done to encroach those freedoms and rights which have been enumerated by the Constitution of the United States of America and its amendments. Take, for example, the Patriot Act, which allows the Federal Government to enter your house and search your property without a proper warrant, or you ever knowing. Such growing abuses of power on the part of the Federal Government need to be spoken of openly.
In the forums that I participate, if you are threatening any sort of violence, etc. you are immediately banned. People who are bigoted and/or showing hatred for forum members, or people of specific ethnicities,9 or other types of hateful speech, are also generally banned. We, as a group of people wish that the American People would merely work together to achieve a better Government and positive changes in a non-violent, peaceful manner.
As to the 9/11 truth movement. Before you say we are all nutcases, I would challenge you to do just a tiny bit of research, and then form an opinion. I don't mean watching some video or other such baloney. The following is a link to a group of Architects and Engineers who have spent a great deal of time doing scientific research on the collapse of the World Trade Center http://www.ae911truth.org/. This is a great place to start to research the issues involved. If you are not willing to do at least a bit of research, then I obviously have no way of showing you my viewpoint. I do not form my opinions on the basis of a radio host, friends, or anything but what can be shown by personal research.
If after doing this, you still feel that you do not wish to be associated with me, no problem. I will close the servers and gladly send the appropriate files to someone else that you wish to do the hosting.

[noob_saibot]

If you want to know the significance behind my signature, google it; its not like I am smart enough to think of such a quote on me own. That is all I have to say.

I think this calls for a LOCK TOPIC EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

[MrsKsr]

What the **** was this topic even about?

Request; don't make a topic unless you actually have a legitimate reason.. Imposters? Best clan leaders? Who gives a shit. Keep it relevant and useful. If you really have to post useless garbage, put it in "Really General". K thx.

[Clutch]

Phytotron have you ever had a problem with compguy's hosting before he mentioned his beliefs? (simply to prove a fact not to start a flame war)

[MrsKsr]

I thought about quoting Phytotron to satisfy your question but it seems useless.. Most, if not all, of his post kind of answers your question.. I mean;

there are extremes of morality with which I cannot be associated, even within the context of a trivial video game.

Just saying..

A persons personal preference and/or beliefs can be really influential on their actions and who they associate with. (Sure Phytotron kinda said that.) Anyway I'm not talking for him, I'm not Phytotron; but based on the posts before, it's kind of obvious that his beliefs are the reason why Phytotron even has a "problem" with gene..

Besides, what does it even matter? kinda sounds exactly like flame bait to me. *clears throat*

[compguygene]

I thought about quoting Phytotron to satisfy your question but it seems useless.. Most, if not all, of his post kind of answers your question.. I mean;

there are extremes of morality with which I cannot be associated, even within the context of a trivial video game.

Just saying..

A persons personal preference and/or beliefs can be really influential on their actions and who they associate with. (Sure Phytotron kinda said that.) Anyway I'm not talking for him, I'm not Phytotron; but based on the posts before, it's kind of obvious that his beliefs are the reason why Phytotron even has a "problem" with gene..

Besides, what does it even matter? kinda sounds exactly like flame bait to me. *clears throat*

My short essay above was written with the hope of explaining that I am NOT part of some fringe, extremist group that wants to overthrow the Government. I think that my actions in the past, in this and other forums, in-game, and in chat and TeamSpeak channels should show evidence of my attitudes, beliefs, etc. I certainly have not shown or acted as a bigot in the past. As a person who is overweight, I certainly have experienced enough of that kind of treatment in my life, based only upon my appearance.

Know a tree by its fruit.

I would like to think that the fruit of my life has not been rotten or distasteful. What would you say of me if I said I were a Muslim. What would you say of me if I said that I was a practicing Jehovah's witness? What would you say of me if I said I were a socialist? I have friends that can be classified in those categories, and do not judge them for beliefs that I do not share. I think that we live in a large enough world for people to have differing religious and political views.
As to my belief being a source of difficulty, I would submit this to you. I stated that my beliefs are not the outgrowth of some "leader" or "literature" alone. But, my beliefs are an outgrowth of conscious research and choice. I am certainly willing to admit that a person may not come to the same views that I have, after doing research of their own.

Independent thinking is worthless and devoid of virtue if that thinking is independent of reason, critical thinking, and empirical evidence. Put another way, there's such a thing as being so open-minded your brain drops out. 9/11 Truthers and the likes of the Christian Patriot movement, Republic Mag, private militias, etc. fall into this description.

I am saying that I am following a path of having sought empirical evidence and critical thinking. I did not say that I am part of the private militia movement or Republic Mag. I seriously question why you would label the Patriot movement the "Christian" Patriot movement. The forums in which I participate seem to many people that are agnostics, atheists, and others that do not accept Christianity as a valid choice. In such forums, all religious discussions are strictly limited to their own area. I have said before, and do re-iterate that I am a "Christian". But certainly not the stereotypical one. I do not beat people over the head with my religious beliefs or quotations from the Bible. I find "Christians" that do so to be not only very disrespectful, but just plain wrong about what they do. I happily co-exist with those of other religious beliefs without incessantly proselytizing.
Does this perhaps better expose my beliefs?

[MrsKsr]

I kind of knew most of that already. I know in the past lots of people have said you push your Christianity in people's faces and for a short time (before I actually got to know you) I agreed. But on reflection and comparison to a lot of Christians I know, you are on a whole different level. You are one of the (i hate this word) coolest people I've met; Always give good advice and just a person who's fun to chill with..

I grew up in a Christian home, my mother is seventh day adventist, but it was a more relaxed environment than you may assume. My mum never really forced me to go to church and when I decided to stop going it was all good. I see gene as that kind of person.. He's also a kind of parent figure (for me) and for others in the community. Regardless of his beliefs.. If I were to persecute him for his opinion I would have to do the same to my mother (not because they share the same beliefs, but because the principle is the same).

Anyway, before I get way off track. I think in the AA community, being a small one, these kind of 'issues' are bound to arise but we shouldn't really dwell on it. That said, as I respect the right to gene's opinion/beliefs (doesn't mean I respect the opinion :d) the same goes for Phytotron (I'm sure I've been saying this a hell of a lot lately...)

Anyway, still love you daddy gene :] and you Phytotron ^_^

[ItzAcid]

that was a very sweet post dub . and gene your the kind of "Christian" that all "Christians" should try to be. Hell-condemning does nothing but drive others away

[Word]

we should solve this once and for all and finally host a Believers vs Non-Believers Four Team Fort Tourney

[compguygene]

we should solve this once and for all and finally host a Believers vs Non-Believers Four Team Fort Tourney

Wrong answer. We should setup a server that uses luke-jr's christian vs. satanists hack! I want to play on the satanists.

[arilou]

As and enthusiastic Tronner who's tried to keep a clan going all by themselves for a long time independent of "mergers". Providing Forums and Servers as perks to their members. I'll have to say , Zion gets my vote. DS made all the changes to stay relevant in the game.

[Phytotron]

Alright, I feel a bit more comfortable with that. The reason I made the provisional assumptions I did—referring to the Christian Patriot movement and Republic mag—is because that is (those are) the ideological movement(s) almost always associated with the phrase "Patriot movement." Just ask the SPLC. These organisations are notoriously antisemetic, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and violent.

With respect to the 9/11 Truth Movement, it's not the least bit new or unfamiliar to me. My wife and I are "card-carrying members" of the Skeptics Society. I don't have any interest debating it any longer, either (much in the same way I've tired arguing with creationists)—at least until I get over the intellectual fatigue and my fuel stores of patience recharge. So, like you, I'll just refer to the pieces Skeptic mag did, including the 9/11 cover issue (12/4/06), as well as the special report done by [url=ttp://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/mil ... 27842.html]Popular Mechanics[/url]. (And Akira, if you're seeing this, you can check those out too.)


So, er, yeah, when are we moving to PA?