TST 2010.01 - 64 Players, 2 Winners - January 17th

[Olive]

I'm moving to america to play tron tournaments at more convenient hours...

[PsYkO]

Durka, tbh I had no idea it was Flex playing until the end of the first match, so if you trust that hopefully you can see my opinion as unbiased as possible.

I was spectating and I was even confused as to when the thing actually started, let alone if I was playing with my teammate (they were the only ones playing seriously at the time). Plus, Gold team was still looking for their person to join.

Let's be honest here, the first round was a cluster **** in which it was painfully obvious that Flex's team didn't know it had started. I mean, we all know when watching players do stupid and dangerous things for no reason, they do those things for fun, for casual game. Once they figured out it had started, obviously they wanted a quick restart, AFTER ONE ROUND. Jeez, even if you won the round we all deserve a mulligan every now and then right? I mean, this community is based off of respect for one another. Even though I don't agree with certain disrespectful jabs coming from both you and Flex, I have to say that if you maintain your dominating manner and are confident, then one round restart isn't going to hurt you...Since you know, you will win anyways.

The second round both Flex and his teammate died because they were chatting trying to get the admin to restart. Instantly 200+ down, and with 900 that is a pretty big comeback.

Also, you both can crunch numbers all you want, but we all know how momentum plays a big part in sumo. Think about the mindset they were in. Shit, I would have lost a lot worse than they did because I would get the anger get the best of me. And the point about only 1 of the 2 legit teams saying to restart...Gold team I'm sure had other things on their mind. /me wonders if they will come forth and say they wanted a restart but were too in the zone to say anything at the time.


And I completely agree about the suicide part, it has no room in this game. If I find myself in a position of an opponent team about to win close vs. another team that if they win the match isn't over..I will play my heart out but if I had a choice between the two I would sure as hell make an effort to die on the other team's wall lol. But suiciding...ehhh that's a bit much.

[Cody <3]

I had a great time!

Only thing is that it seemed that (too me anyway) that a lot of people were confused by semi finals

heres what I thought after getting told how it works. First team gets to 2, sits out and the other 3 teams then go at it. at this point i thought well after first team wins 2 matches, thats game and they sit out and a new game starts(0-0-0) leading for the first 2 to win over the 3 teams(seems fair) well that wasn't the case and we lost the semi finals

ALso durka and max! me and xyron still love you! even tho we did try our hardest not to send you to finals LOL. I hope someone got me and xyron sending blue to finals on vid =D

[newbie]

sumo should be round-based from the getgo

[madmax]

For those in the dark, Word and I made a last minute team in some round (quaterfinals was it). Thunderbolt and Lightfoot were poised to win their second match and send Word, myself, Durka and madmax home losers. I continue to give Thunderbolt and Lightfoot points, but Word does not, there were only 3 teams, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot can't help their own cause, and the eventual champions walk away. So if you want someone to blame, blame Word for being too proud to lose correctly.

My comment about the suiciding was mostly related to the semis. In those we lost two matches while having ~860-890 points because the other team got 60 points by default on two round starts

[þsy]

Just a quick explaination from myself:

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot was actually me and distort, but because I was supposed to be busy till 9, I asked flex to cover for the first round. Looking at the lineup, I figured it'd be an easy match, as I didn't realise that Aaron & Justin (or whatever your names are) were durka and sagelord haha. Had I been aware of this, I would have made more of an effort to get back in time for the start!

Sadly, I did actually get back in time for the start, but flex was already there so I figured I'd wait and hope we won. I did see all the start/stop problems and will try and expressed my honest opinion - as psyko said, TB & LF clearly hadn't realised it'd started, and the other team called for restart as well. Yes, team mad won by more than one round of points, but it put TB & LF at a point and psychological disadvantage from the getgo.

However, I don't think it's the end of the world, it was the admin's call and k-yo made a decision and stuck with it - these things happen!

The other issue was with the suiciding on walls, and this I do disagree with. It was pretty funny concord, and suiciding on a certain team's wall to give the match to another team so they don't win is good tactical play. But to suicide on a team's wall because you don't want durka to win (and progress to the next round) is personal rather than tactical, which puts a negative tinge on the game.

Saying that, it only happened once and didn't affect the outcome of the match whatsoever, so no damage done! And word did seem to have a tendency to get pulled into team mad's walls every round haha, so it almost seemed justified. I guess we are talking about word

And if it wasn't for TB & LF taking each other out in that vital round, it could have been a very different story! Nontheless, gz madmax and durka!

[Concord]

Also, you both can crunch numbers all you want, but we all know how momentum plays a big part in sumo. Think about the mindset they were in. Shit, I would have lost a lot worse than they did because I would get the anger get the best of me. And the point about only 1 of the 2 legit teams saying to restart...Gold team I'm sure had other things on their mind. /me wonders if they will come forth and say they wanted a restart but were too in the zone to say anything at the time.

I came in after the first round and the match had started, by time the time I joined Gold and got my bearings it was already the 3rd round and seemed too late to change anything. I also didn't have a clue who madjustin, Thunderbolt or Lightfoot, making it impossible to judge the character of my opponents. I didn't know whether it was a troll yelling for a restart or a request from an honest and respectable player. The latter turned out to be the case, but in the moment, neither Word nor I had anything to judge the motives of our opponents on. So blame yourselves and your silly aliases for that.

[Cody <3]

For those in the dark, Word and I made a last minute team in some round (quaterfinals was it). Thunderbolt and Lightfoot were poised to win their second match and send Word, myself, Durka and madmax home losers. I continue to give Thunderbolt and Lightfoot points, but Word does not, there were only 3 teams, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot can't help their own cause, and the eventual champions walk away. So if you want someone to blame, blame Word for being too proud to lose correctly.

My comment about the suiciding was mostly related to the semis. In those we lost two matches while having ~860-890 points because the other team got 60 points by default on two round starts

TBH , me and xyron wanted finals really bad, we just didn't want you and durka to advanced...so we did what we thought we could, send Olive and freako to finals and then come up and win against you guys. It was more of a tactic then anything. No hard feelings! it was a great TST with some twists!! If me and xyron could do it over, it would be letting you guys hit the 2-0-0-0 and me and xyron coming fighting for finals,BUT me and xyron were both unclear that the 1-2-0-0 stayed 1-0-0 after team bubblegum and moonflower left. I thought it goes to 0-0-0 and xyron thought we were all out XD. We'll be ready for next time tho >:} mark this post!

[Kijutsu]

Obviously sometimes it will occur that certain teams decide to band together against 1 team, I don't see the big deal. Durka and madmax won anyways, so congrats.

[Olive]

@ cody: who I feel honoured. You thought it was easier to beat max and justin instead of freako and me?

I don't know the whole story. Yet I know K-yo is one of the most capable administrators. He made the decision not to restart, anyone that dissagrees should talk to him and not to durka and madmax.

Why do I always end second (third time in a major tourny...)

[Kijutsu]

You didn't end up second.

[Olive]

shared second place...

[Cody <3]

@ cody: who I feel honoured. You thought it was easier to beat max and justin instead of freako and me?

I don't know the whole story. Yet I know K-yo is one of the most capable administrators. He made the decision not to restart, anyone that dissagrees should talk to him and not to durka and madmax.

Why do I always end second (third time in a major tourny...)

hehe =] well we really didn't have a choice. At the 2nd match its was 860(durka +max)-840(moon+gum) so you were the better choice... with them already having 1 match under their belts. And the 3rd match played like a charm again so we re-suicide.

[K-Yo]

About that restart, I do no feel responsible for the damage it caused to Tthunderbolt and Lightfoot.
As it has already been said, I announced it several times, 5 minutes before, the round before and right before the first round started (check the logs if you don't trust me, but everyone seems to agree with this)
It is sad, and I think it is true, that the blue team did not notice it, but when you take part in a tournament, you should take care of when it starts... center messages were displayed as long as necessary, no other message cut them down.
Flex & Distort, I feel sorry for you guys, but administrating has to be done without preferences, and it was not against you (anyway, I didn't know who you were at that time =P)

about the tournament, it seemed to happen quite nice (thanks to epsy and everyone that made it possible) apart from weird stuff (this round start, some teams not showing up, some weird replacement, some faking, some /msg spam, ...)
I hope I'll play the next one, and I think these should be added to config:
SPAM_MAXLEN 200 (short messages are annoying when you need to type more, or when you want to display results in round_center/console_message)
ACCESS_LEVEL_SPY_MSG 1 (to solve the spam stuff)
and maybe (for privacy) tell in the rules that admins can see /team and /msg.


well done players!

[Flex]

Next time, don't only use centre messages to start matches. Do what most admins do and use "/admin SAY messagehere". In my opinion, you should feel responsible. Centre messages aren't as clear as saying "STARTING NEXT ROUND!" or "STARTING NOW!" when there's constant chat messages being spammed. Centre messages being long and tiny, with a short delay due to the round ending/starting messages above them.

We won that match by 360 points which is over half of what you had anyways. You weren't close to winning that match even with the intentional suiciders and it DEFINITELY was NOT because of luck. Do you honestly think that the reason I've won the last FOUR of these TST's is because of luck? No, I didn't think so. Nonetheless, I welcome your challenge as I feel it only makes the game and its competition that much better

We were a head and we had around 600 points, you guys only had 400 or so. I clashed with my team mate (this is where the match changed), then gold died, next two rounds after that was basically free points again and then the final round was just 840 (or so) and everybody died. So you're assuming that was a legitimate come back from your part? I call that luck and don't act like it wasn't. So your previous TST wins entitles you to win all future events without luck? I'll remember that.

Even with intentional suicides? Are you serious? Concord died on my wall once and the amount of times they died on your wall throughout the match was fair enough. Word killed me that exact same round and the match was over the next round after that so really don't try and point out something like that. I'm not going to go into detail any more about that match. The point is that the first match you acted like a lamer and a whore for points which I didn't expect you to act that way. Winning fairly is more important to me anyway.

I've made my point, there's nothing here that needs to be discussed.