a question on ladle rules

[Goodygumdrops]

is there any type of rule or precedent in place for what to do if a team/player abuses admin powers during a ladle match?

for instance resetting scores mid-match, reducing a player's score, kicking a player, etc.

[Jonathan]

Provide evidence, then hang him.

[Z-Man]

I prefer the brazen bull method.

[gawdzilla]

I believe that would be a disqualifaction.

*lol I remember in a match against CT, I admin killed safa because he was bugged into the wall and they all started complaining. Duh, if I hadn't admin killed him he wouldve never died therefor CT wouldve won regardless! Obvious why they complained, sore losahs.

But yes, admin abuse should be disqualification.

[kyle]

I admin killed safa because he was bugged into the wall and they all started complaining. Duh, if I hadn't admin killed him he wouldve never died therefor CT wouldve won regardless!

There are some things that spin around and determine the winners regardless of the amount of players a team has. you get enough of your team inside of them then they go away when you are in the opposing color one.

[gawdzilla]

Unless gold player and blue player give eachother a cuddle, and safa is the only one left. Anyways there were a lot of bugs in that server and people who are trapped against the wall are just a nuisance, admin kill was the best option.

[Mkay1]

who cares

[epsy]

people who will fight about it in 10 forum pages

[Goodygumdrops]

does the community in general agree that disqualification is appropriate?

it seems to me it would be fair to have the team forfeit the current match, but not necessarily the whole stage

[compguygene]

I would vote for disqualification. It may seem harsh. However, in my mind the penalty fits the crime. If all you do is have a round replayed, you run the risk of a badadmin deciding that things are not going well, so they feel they would benefit from a replay. If people are aware that they will be disqualified, they will not be tempted to do this for potential gain.

[Z-Man]

Who said replay? Match forfeit would be the minimum to be considered for irreversible game manipulation. If you admin-kill someone, you ruin the match. Well, technically, you only ruin the round, but it's next to impossible to undo a single round (what were the scores at the beginning? How do we stop the game while we correct things? How do we restart the round cleanly?) and give max points (enemy pop * 2 + 10) to the other team.

[1200]

Whatever happened to having global moderators so we avoid having an admin thats part of the team thats competing???
I believe the outcome of the last votes was to have global moderators for each match....
Are we talking about situations where we don't have global admins due to lack of organization or volunteer?

[Goodygumdrops]

yeah, ideally we'd have an impartial admin for each match but that seems almost impossible to accomplish

for one thing, i don't think there are a lot of people who just want to sit and watch other teams play (maybe i am wrong about that)

for another, most people have friends in fort and would be likely to be partial towards one team or another

i agree with z-man, match forfeiture would be a minimum penalty, with outright disqualification also a possibility...is this something that should be put to a vote or handled on a case-by-case basis?

[1200]

i agree with z-man, match forfeiture would be a minimum penalty, with outright disqualification also a possibility...is this something that should be put to a vote or handled on a case-by-case basis?

I think something like that should be in the rules. Case by case i dunno maybe it should be for all cases. Even if an admin (who is in a team thats competing) kicks somebody by mistake that team should forfeit that match because the match is ruined at that point....
Like Gene said if we have something like that in the rules those admins on a team won't be so haste in kicking someone like we've experienced in the past...

yeah, ideally we'd have an impartial admin for each match but that seems almost impossible to accomplish

I think you're using the word impossible too lightly here. It maybe harder to find 8-16 admins for the first round of Ladle especially if teams are short numbered but it shouldn't be that hard to arrange it so that the teams that lose in the first round have to supply an admin for the following rounds.

[sinewav]

I have an idea: Let's change to angle of this thread to "Updating the Ladle Rules on the Wiki". I think it's about time we cleaned it up, wouldn't you say? Maybe we can come up with a list and a volunteer to hammer it out?

We can add a bit about global administrator responsibilities, authentication, the quarterly voting, and get rid of things like the IRC meetup which never happens.

Or maybe I can just make a new thread.