Ladle 21 (Voting Over) Official Settings on pg. 2

[Word]

hehe i won my bet radian! 20 bucks for me (paypal link will follow)

[owned]

A couple things weren't discussed or was only answered by one person.

Should there be a minimum/maximum number of players needed to form a team?
Should you be able to recruit on the day of the tourney? (If so, up to when?)

My suggestion:
Shouldn't each team lable themselves as either European or American so the servers can be picked easier? (can be put into the signup template)

[Word]

Next time teams with 6 AND 8 players should be allowed. Even the biggest team can be handled if there is a good team of 6.

[Z-Man]

Purpose of this poll was to settle the question of team size (and others) for the near future. If you try to reopen that question now already, you'll just cause annoyance. So don't.

Regarding owned's suggestion of specifying the AM/EU location of teams: good idea. But it wouldn't be an organizational problem in the first place if the captains of each team would meet either on IRC (like they're supposed to) or on the primary server scheduled for their next game to settle where the game is supposed to take place (on the primary server, of course, unless both teams want it somewhere else) instead of staying on the server they last played on, waiting to be told by someone where to go next. Thing is, preferences are not always only determined by the AM/EU question.

[pike]

Next time teams with 6 AND 8 players should be allowed. Even the biggest team can be handled if there is a good team of 6.

Yeah, but it doesn't sound so great, when 6 good players match 8 good players. The result would be the same if we set the rules back to 8v8.

[Word]

yes but as Durka said, this time only 6 teams voted although this thread was meant to be the basis of all ladles. I didn't want to cause annoyance, i think the decision would be more fair when all can take part in the poll.

[sinewav]

...this thread was meant to be the basis of all ladles.

Word, you have a good point about the thread being linked to the wiki Challenge Board. That should help a lot. It's too bad more teams didn't vote, but we will have more voting in a few months. Next time voting happens, hopefully more teams will see the thread and reply.

[1200]

Shouldn't each team lable themselves as either European or American so the servers can be picked easier?

Sometimes a team has an equal number of US/Euro players and like Zman pointed it out, the preference may change depending on how players are performing or who the team is up against.
Also if we are going to allow the server to be changed if both teams agree for quarters & semi finals that should be stated somewhere in the rules.

And yea the other two things everybody forgot to vote on should be voted sometime in the near future.
Please also consider voting or making it so that matches can be started on time by an admin. (at least for the first rounds. When delays are caused by long matches then perhaps there should also be like a 10 or 15 min rule from the time both teams enter the server or something...)

[1200]

Also from what i experienced from the Last Ladle. The lag reduced dramatcally when the tournament final was over and all the spectators left and we were playing a regular 6vs6. I hope we can do something about that in the future. I'd hate to turn away the spectators but i think we should provide the players that are playing with optimal environment. Spectators most of the time only cause distractions anyways.

Will the mirrored server thing make it any better? Or peole that want to watch can always watch the recording of it after the fact.
I've heard others with the same feeling regarding this. Is this something that should get voted on as well?

[Z-Man]

Mirroring is still a distant dream. Recordings are the only way to support spectating the game that does not stress the servers for the near future.

[compguygene]

yes, i would like to comment on the stress and lag that spectating seems to be causing in the Ladle. My Ww Alpha team is comprised of people from Europe, The Eastern United States, The MidWestern United States, and The West Coast of the United States. When we have no more than 22-24 people in a given server I get no reports of anything but acceptable, normal lag. Once more spectators than that come in, the people in my clan that live West of the Mississippi River (West Coast, Texas, Oaklahoma, Arizona) begin to experience ridiculous lag and fps drops to 5-8fps. We have tested this outside the ladle, and would like to ask that in future ladles we consider limiting servers to 24 slots. Those who live in Europe and the Eastern United States probably never notice this, but we are beginning to see more players from West of the Mississippi River. This would make the Ladle much more playable for them.

[1200]

I'm from the East Coast (USA) and i still feel a big difference in lag.
Even if we limit the number of spectators so the max is 24, its still laggier than no spectators at all.
I think the idea is to provide the players with the optimal environment. If we are going to allow any specs than i think we should limit them to subs and members of the teams that are competing. And we should limit the number of subs each team can bring as well...

[compguygene]

i agree wholeheartedly with 1200's comments! Just to reiterate, at the end of a VERY heated Ww vs. TR Match we ended up with enough spectators that 1/3 of my team was dropping to 4-5 fps...This is just the situation that I would like to avoid in the future! Perhaps if we just limited each team to 3 subs, and only tourney admins/zman recording we could improve the gameplay.

[DDMJ]

i agree wholeheartedly with 1200's comments! Just to reiterate, at the end of a VERY heated Ww vs. TR Match we ended up with enough spectators that 1/3 of my team was dropping to 4-5 fps...This is just the situation that I would like to avoid in the future! Perhaps if we just limited each team to 3 subs, and only tourney admins/zman recording we could improve the gameplay.

Since when was that match "VERY" heated? It seems you guys had a completely different view of the match than we did. Anyways, it was fine for me. I don't mind players watching, in fact, I encourage them to do so.

[Z-Man]

FPS drops because of spectators? If this is true and not something players make up to give their bitching about lag (which, on VPS hosted games, yes, I admit is an issue) more weight, I'd like to see a recording of that so it can be fixed.