Armagetron, a 2-D or 3-D game?

2b|!2b? · Post by **2b|!2b?** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 5:30 pm

A few of us were playing last week and someone mentioned that armagetron was a 3-D game. I contend it is a 2-D game: we play on a flat grid. The camera can float on the z-plane, true enough, but the fight happen on the x & y-planes. I have never seen a bike jump over a wall (and that could be an interesting version to have!)
An analog analogy is chess: is chess a 3-D game just because you can move a piece by lifting it and because you can view the game from above? Surely not.
Anyways, I'm open to read opinions from the 3-D claimants as to how they see this game as a 3-dimensional one.

Post by **Tank Program** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:00 pm

I'd say 2D I guess, because I agree with your point.

klax · Post by **klax** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:04 pm

2D game concept with a 3D visualization

ishAdmin · Post by **ishAdmin** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:21 pm

I think it has a third dimension, just not one we can see. How else do you 'splain all that warping and sliding. I tells ya, that third dimension is a rocky one.

Post by **Tank Program** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:31 pm

lol, nice one ish

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:51 pm

hehe ish
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we needs cubeygetron for true 3d but the low fps with all those walls

RUDEBOY! · Post by **RUDEBOY!** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:25 pm

klax wrote:2D game concept with a 3D visualization

I agree with this. Anyone remember the light cycle arcade game in the movie. Its just a 2D above view game and since Armagetron is based on the light cycle scene which is based on the light cycle arcade game, it is a 3D representation of a 2D game.

root down · Post by **root down** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:32 pm

x - check
y - check
z - check
i see 3 dimensions!

RUDEBOY! · Post by **RUDEBOY!** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:35 pm

But you cant move in the y.

root down · Post by **root down** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:57 pm

but as far as you can see, it does exist.

ishAdmin · Post by **ishAdmin** » Mon Dec 06, 2004 11:35 pm

do you remember that episide of the next generation, where the enterprise got 'stuck' in a sea of two dimentional creatures. They couldn't see it, until data launched a probe that let them see it from a higher perspective. (and they also had to blast it with the technobabble particles of the week to light it up). that particle world had two dimensions, eventhough they could be viewed in 3 dimensions.

no matter what we see, the world only functions in two dimensions. it's a 3d render of a 2d game surface.

i remember some 2d theoretical cartoon worlds that were created by scientist types with too much paycheck and not enough work. how do you flush a toilet in two dimensions without your world collapsing from lack of supports? If you have a downward gravity, we rely on 3 dimensions to hold stuff up.

Your_mom · Post by **Your_mom** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:00 am

doesnt time count as a dimension? if it does its definatly a 3dimensional game because time plays a part thus its viewed in the 4rth dimension. After all we live in 7nth dimensional hyperspace. im not kidding i think string theory proves my point.

nicolas.b · Post by **nicolas.b** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:05 am

ishAdmin wrote:do you remember that episide of the next generation, where the enterprise got 'stuck' in a sea of two dimentional creatures. They couldn't see it, until data launched a probe that let them see it from a higher perspective. (and they also had to blast it with the technobabble particles of the week to light it up). that particle world had two dimensions, eventhough they could be viewed in 3 dimensions.

i could swear i've seen every next generation episode (for better or worse) yet don't remember that one. sounds like a tribute to the classic book "flatland" (i think that was the title) by edwin abbott.

llaffer2 · Post by **llaffer2** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:24 am

RUDEBOY! wrote:But you cant move in the y.

Actually, you cannot move in the z-axis.

ishAdmin · Post by **ishAdmin** » Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:30 am

nicolas.b wrote:
ishAdmin wrote:do you remember that episide of the next generation, where the enterprise got 'stuck' in a sea of two dimentional creatures. They couldn't see it, until data launched a probe that let them see it from a higher perspective. (and they also had to blast it with the technobabble particles of the week to light it up). that particle world had two dimensions, eventhough they could be viewed in 3 dimensions.
i could swear i've seen every next generation episode (for better or worse) yet don't remember that one. sounds like a tribute to the classic book "flatland" (i think that was the title) by edwin abbott.

While they were stuck in the two dimensional particle plane, they were slowly being pulled towards a black hole or something. Also Troi lost her empathic powers, and was a bit of a baby about it. When they got 'unstuck', she got her powers back.

Here, you can buy the episode from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/custom ... oding=UTF8