Firetron 1.0

[DDMJ]

http://www.miscproject.com/blog/firefox-game-firetron/

This looks like some kind of violation of some kind of licence that Armagetron Advanced has. I think z-man/guru3/Lucifer/ph/someone should hunt these people down.

[tonybbb]

yeah but looks fun lol

[Lucifer]

They've got comments suppressed. I registered, downloaded, and posted a comment asking for the source. (technically you can't ask for the source unless you received a copy of the program)

[Luke-Jr]

They've got comments suppressed. I registered, downloaded, and posted a comment asking for the source. (technically you can't ask for the source unless you received a copy of the program)

Technically they're in violation even if they give it to you. If they aren't distributing it together with the binary (on the same page), they must explicitly offer it for 2 (or was it 3?) years.

I bet they're not displaying the copyright notice either?

[Lucifer]

THey're not required to make that offer right next to the binary, iirc. That's a minor technicality. They are definitely not required to make any comment about copyright on the page, and they don't. This isn't quite like Code Hunter's claim of copyright over the whole program, they don't make any claim on the webpage about who wrote the program. There is the connotation that it's all their original work, but I didn't want to attack. Never attribute to malice what can also be attributed to stupidity, or hopefully in this case, just plain lack of consideration.

For all we know, it's just some guy who slapped it together in good faith, and didn't even think about the license.

[Luke-Jr]

THey're not required to make that offer right next to the binary, iirc.

They need to deliver it with the binary, one way or another. That means the latest it can be delivered is during the installation.

They are definitely not required to make any comment about copyright on the page, and they don't. This isn't quite like Code Hunter's claim of copyright over the whole program, they don't make any claim on the webpage about who wrote the program. There is the connotation that it's all their original work, but I didn't want to attack. Never attribute to malice what can also be attributed to stupidity, or hopefully in this case, just plain lack of consideration.

No, I didn't claim they omitted credit or copyright ownership. I would need to actually run the game to check that, and I didn't. Speaking of which, do we comply? I believe the specific requirement is that the application must have it mentioned in an About-page type thing.

For all we know, it's just some guy who slapped it together in good faith, and didn't even think about the license.

Most likely, which is why he should be informed what he needs to change to be legit instead of someone threatening to sue.

[Spot]

hmff this sux they steal the 0.2.8.2 version of arma and make a moviepack which look noobish, they cant do this to armagetron

[Luke-Jr]

hmff this sux they steal the 0.2.8.2 version of arma and make a moviepack which look noobish, they cant do this to armagetron

Nobody can stop them from making a "noobish" moviepack... I wonder if that's all it is? Not that they're exempted from including code if they don't modify it, but if there's no changes, we could offer to let them just link back to SF. (assuming everyone who has copyright to AA is ok with that exception)

[Tank Program]

Just from the screens it looks like like a repackaging with modified settings and textures.

[Spot]

but if they make adjustments with firetron than its having a good side too

[Carnage]

I downloaded this game a while ago, thinking it was the real armagetron, wasnt it? The first time I played was on this, it's almost the same except graphical differences. I lokked for updates, and found the real tron, so the next "version" I download was 2.0.8.1, odd.

[Spot]

its a copy... i looked,,,, all things are copyed just moviepack, i think we should pwns them on "AA" VS "FireTron" i think they running away like noobs on the 2nd round cant we say that they cant do it?

[Z-Man]

If there are no code modifications, I'd say it falls under the paragraph of the GPL that states that verbatim copies are always allowed (without an extra copy of the source, in my reading), even though they are technically distributing a modified version of the whole package. I'm not on Windows at the moment, do they include the original AUTHORS file? If they do, it's fine by me. I wouldn't object to telling them it would be polite to put a link to us directly on the download page, but I'm too lazy to contact them right now

Carnage: how did you get here?

[Luke-Jr]

I spoke with (one of?) the Firetron developer(s). He's confirmed that he will publish the source code on the website "ASAP", and that none of the original code (in response to my inquiry on "AUTHORS") was modified. Only settings and image files were changed.

[kyle]

Ran it in wine here are the files and it does give credit to the same authors

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AUTHORS.txt             README.txt     libpng13.dll
Armagetron Forums.url   SDL.dll        libxml2.dll
COPYING.txt             SDL_image.dll  models
ChangeLog.txt           SDL_mixer.dll  resource
Get Firetron.url        config         sound
INSTALL.txt             firetron.exe   textures
NEWS.txt                firetron.ico   uninst.exe
README-DEVELOPER.txt    iconv.dll      windows_libraries.txt
README-KDevelop3_0.txt  jpeg.dll       zlib1.dll
README-SDL.txt          language