Bullshit Drama

[Lucifer]

I'll be completely honest. When it comes to minority rights in this game and in any other place, I speak up when they are infringed. Period. I speak up. Sometimes that means having a fight, for example, here.

The last fight, I stood up for women's rights and the side that disagreed with me attacked with a spambot. I got a 30 MINUTE ban from Tank (which he has done to me before, this is nothing new for us) so I could cool down. I go to bed, spend my day doing what I do on Sundays, and then I come back here and see a bunch of threads arguing about how my ban was wrong.

No, it wasn't. Tank did it to let me cool down. We then had a conversation in IRC about it (as Kyle pointed out). Now I'm cooled down.

Except, no, wait a minute, I'm ******* pissed!

Why all these threads about how I'm getting abused? Tank Program is a very close friend of mine, he would never abuse me! The ban he made was to give me time to cool off, and he knows me VERY well.

That aside for the moment, in the wake of these new threads whining about how I'm being personally persecuted and people trying to make a martyr out of me, there's been a new spambot.

Count that. There's a spambot for people who hate me, and there's a spambot for people who like me.

I wanted to fight for women's rights. But the issue now is who has the spambots.

This is unacceptable. If I stand up for you, you do NOT respond with a spambot. PERIOD. NO DISCUSSION. You do NOT attack these forums in my name. NEVER.

Bans have been issued for suspects. I wish we knew who was responsible.

But that's not how we argue. You can disagree with my methods all you want, but spambots issued by people who disagree with me are not tolerated, and spambots issued by people who agree with me aren't tolerated.

I wish we could fight over women's rights, that's the fight I want to have.

But we're going to fight over spambots, because that's the bullshit y'all have sent us.

[takburger]

I just don't understand why, over a difference of opinion, someone should get banned while in another hand, when calling names and other stuff, other people don't get anything.

I read somewhere else, from you (and I won't search the quote over that flood), that those are known offenders so we don't care.

Which does not make sense.

That is why, to my opinion, the community reacted vigorously, and I hope you can understand that and see that there are too many imperfections on so many matters for a ban like this to be understood and accepted.

On a totally different topic. I think you totally failed to understand the difference between you and an asperger when going into gender related topic. Simply because, for Durf, the gender is about your DNA (XX or XY), meanwhile for you it is more of a spiritual matter (if a person think himself male or female it could also not be defined for what I know ...).

Also, that video about girls... When watching it, one has to remember those who made it work in an advertising company, there are no people more sexist than them, to your way to see the things. Because they got to target groups of people all the time to get high reach in the campaigns.

Oh, and everything in that video has been staged.

[Lucifer]

That is why, to my opinion, the community reacted vigorously, and I hope you can understand that and see that there are too many imperfections on so many matters for a ban like this to be understood and accepted.

This is the only part of your post that matters in this thread.

Because you are tacitly endorsing the use of spambots against these forums. Because that's what happened.

[takburger]

You totally fail to understand me. I was not talking about the spambots, those are just junk, we don't even know who is who in the spambots, I'm not paying attention to them.

I talk about the other players, Gaz, Soul, Nanu, Forc3 and so many others who expressed stuff just to see themselves having an answer like I have now : totally out of the point.

[dinobro]

There are "opinions" that are fundamentaly and objectively wrong.
Just as racist, homophobic or sexist comments which warrant a ban. I just wonder why it was so short.
Faster you realize that Durf is just a close minded person who hides behind the mask of an "intellectual" the better.
Just look at essence of his posts and look past his fancy wording (that nota bene makes him look even more silly due to his inability to use them properly, quoting "It is your own preconceptions of what Hitler did that disassociates from who he was." which makes zero sense due to wrong usage of " disassociation").
And I get it, he did stuff for the community and so on, but that doesn't pardon his extremely wrong comments.
As a woman myself, I really would like to thank Lucifer for what he did, because it's a rare moment when someone on the internet would actually stand up for this kind of behaviour. And I do understand that it's hard to understand for you guys, because you're not affected by it on a daily basis.

As for the spammer, it's obvious it's Swag who was doing the same for last year or so. Dunno if he was encouraged by someone this time, but I highly doubt it.

And lastly, please do not gang up on me and please refrain from vile remarks because I don't think I deserve it merely for saying what I feel. You're obviously free to disagree.

Cheers!

[takburger]

ok then the rules are simple : cyberbullying and calling names are fine here but not sexism, racism or homophoby. ok. Not that the latter are good to me ...

By the way, it is sexist to assume it is hard to understand for the guys. It is also sexist to say that you are a girl, because it should not bear any meaning.

It is internet, there are only minds and no gender, one could be anybody.

Just in case, I got to say this out loud coz i'm afraid to get stoned at : I think women should be equals to men.

[hqqns]

Just in case, I got to say this out loud coz i'm afraid to get stoned at : I think women should be equals to men.

I think you'll find that they are

You leave for few years and all goes to hell.

P.S. If you don't know me I've been in these forums since 2003 (#10 in the members list) Also wrote some of the original HUD stuff, don't know if any of it is still there though.

[dinobro]

Burger, please.
Was I supposed to list all the things that are wrong including "adultery" and so on? I gave few examples of similar behaviour. Don't play a dummy.
And it's not sexist - you guys were spamming threads with #freedurf, #hedidnothingwrong, so I just assumed you do not understand the situation. I'm not assuming it because you are a guy, but rather by your (you as a group) actions after Durf got punished. And so what if it's just internet? We shouldn't treat each other with respect becuase you have no real contact with people? We're still real, with real feelings and emotions. Might think about it next time you make comment like that.

In one point, I do agree. We should be equal and all examples of misogyny AND misandry should be stigmatized and punished.

[takburger]

I never said nobody should be treated with respect, my problem here is exactly that, people are not treated with respect, and for once we enforce a rule I find it almost ironic that we never enforce that rule for other people down here who are used of abusing other people.

One rule should be always respected or never. That is my point. Not partially.

Hello hqqns, well I did not know you but welcome back, seems you come back in such a period of the forum that does not show us at our best... On the topic, yes they are, I forgot 'treated as' before the 'equals', my bad.
I guess I'm using the original HUD as I'm on the 0.2.8, but maybe there was another hud before. My favorite though

[DrunkDuck]

Well, i am a woman too and i play this game for pretty long time. I can send pics if you want but i think most of you already have them

Ok now serious. We all should stop with these 20 new topics every day. Getting tired of reading all of that. I want to see some new nice topics in here.

Adios

[Durf]

what is this thread?

I mean, to stay on topic...we have to add more bullshit drama?
I'm confused about what the purpose of this thread is.

[Tank Program]

There was a large amount of spam (now deleted) protesting the short ban I gave Lucifer, similar to the spam that was posted after your ban.

[FluffyBunnyRabbits]

Thus nothing has been done. I believe we should get back on track from which this whole mess started, Vogue. His appeal should be shunned and even have another punishment. His negative vibes do not help this game 1 bit so in return we shall fulfill his request and permanent ban him.

[Clutch]

-edit- Nevermind ill stay out of this shit -edit-

[Magi]

Thus nothing has been done. I believe we should get back on track from which this whole mess started, Vogue. His appeal should be shunned and even have another punishment. His negative vibes do not help this game 1 bit so in return we shall fulfill his request and permanent ban him.

>his

aaaand we're back to were we started.