Happy 4/20!

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[Phytotron]

alcohol has caused much more strife in my life than any other drug ever has and everyone seems to be perfectly accepting of that. I'm fine if you lump all drugs into the destructive category, but don't delude yourself and not include alcohol in that.

There hasn't been a single person in this thread or the older one who has suggested alcohol is harmless, especially those who've argued that marijuana also isn't harmless. Don't "say what you will," instead please address comments that have actually been made.

[sinewav]

One often overlooked point about alcohol is the fact it is a beverage. Regarding beer and wine specifically, a great number of people drink it responsibly, for the taste, and do not get drunk. I am one of these people. This is not in any way a justification for the legality of alcohol, but rather it highlights some of the complexity surrounding drugs and the law. I do understand an extremely small percentage of marijuana users will smoke tiny amounts as a way to psychologically unwind without actually getting high, but this is somewhat incomparable to alcoholic beverages in this context since marijuana is not considered a food. However, if marijuana can be regulated in such a way that it becomes a safe ingredient to foodstuffs this is a different matter. You might not know it from my posts but I am for the legalization of all drugs. However, I would not legalize anything without first implementing strict educational guidelines pertaining to drugs and their varied uses, and much harsher punishment for people who harm others while on drugs.

[breeze]

alcohol has caused much more strife in my life than any other drug ever has and everyone seems to be perfectly accepting of that. I'm fine if you lump all drugs into the destructive category, but don't delude yourself and not include alcohol in that.

There hasn't been a single person in this thread or the older one who has suggested alcohol is harmless, especially those who've argued that marijuana also isn't harmless. Don't "say what you will," instead please address comments that have actually been made.

You're right, I can't disagree with that, no one has. I guess it's the cynical side of me coming out and an embedded grudge I have against drug laws and society's attitudes. I know I shouldn't have said "say what you will" it's generic and a weak string of words. I also have a problem with a large portion of the "studies" done on cannabis, including, but not specifically the one you linked to. Although, the sample in that study was only 35 people, 21 of which were tobacco smokers as well. I saw the same study reported on FOX news even before this thread. I think there is a bias against cannabis that is apparent at least in the mainstream media to portray it in the worst possible way.

I understand you can enjoy an alcoholic beverage without getting drunk, but even one beverage influences you. You can't drink it and choose not to get a "buzz". You touched on it that in the same way people could smoke a small amount of cannabis and not really get high. The difference in the two that I see, though I could be wrong I am not a doctor, is that cannabis is generally a mental drug. Its effects are much more subjective. For example, two people could have the same concentration of THC in their body (even if it is a lot), but one feels high and the other doesn't at all. With alcohol if two people had the same BAC, say 0.2 (I know this is a high number) they would both certainly feel drunk. Alcohol seems to exert actual physical effects, such as respiratory depression. Cannabis on the other hand has very few physical symptoms, like an increased heart beat and lower or higher blood pressure. This is partly what makes it so acutely non-toxic.

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[takburger]

With alcohol if two people had the same BAC, say 0.2 (I know this is a high number) they would both certainly feel drunk. Alcohol seems to exert actual physical effects, such as respiratory depression.

I could show you people who can drink and do not get any effect while someone else would. And it works the same with every drug, it is what people call tolerance.

It is a chemical thing, you take a drug (drink alcohol, smoke weed, eat pill, sniff a rail etc). It goes into your body by different means but at then end it is in your blood. Your blood carry it to the brain and other places. You're brain get high and if you take often you'll build resistance to the chemical.

Cannabis on the other hand has very few physical symptoms, like an increased heart beat and lower or higher blood pressure. This is partly what makes it so acutely non-toxic.

It does not damage your body (if you do not smoke it), but **** up your brain. As I said before among other things, it has been accurately reported that weed accelerate the apparition of schizophrenia (it does not give, just make it come sooner if you was the kind that could develop it).

To sum up:
Brain will get high, build resistance and get used to the chemical (and it can damage your brain)
The way you take the drug will damage more or less your body

[breeze]

I know about tolerance and you're right that everyone metabolizes drugs differently. I know it may take a different amount of drinks to get to the same level of alcohol in the blood for two people, which I attribute to tolerance. What I am unsure of though, is if two people actually had the same level of alcohol in their blood if they would feel similar levels of intoxication or if they could develop tolerance to the actual physical effects. I suppose I overlooked the fact that the brain is in fact part of the body and the psychological state of a person is still part of overall health.

[takburger]

I know about tolerance and you're right that everyone metabolizes drugs differently. I know it may take a different amount of drinks to get to the same level of alcohol in the blood for two people, which I attribute to tolerance. What I am unsure of though, is if two people actually had the same level of alcohol in their blood if they would feel similar levels of intoxication or if they could develop tolerance to the actual physical effects. I suppose I overlooked the fact that the brain is in fact part of the body and the psychological state of a person is still part of overall health.

Your stomach process and put the alcohol in the blood. Then the brain gets energy from the blood. The synapses in the brain gain resistance over time.

If you overlooked that fact as you say then, I can tell you that the studies shown that one stick of weed is as bad as one glass of whisky.

[takburger]

This video sum up all what we can say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwYGFt5q90

[Vogue]

Please, go to any rehab and the specialists will tell you that weed is extremely addictive and can have serious negative impact on your psychological health as well, no matter how happy and grounded you are. Look at ritsuka, he's really depressed and lives like a bum. I wouldn't take his word on how great weed is.

[ConVicT]

Look at ritsuka, he's really depressed and lives like a bum.

Bums get laptops and internet now?

[sinewav]

Bums get laptops and internet now?

There are lots of places with public wifi (libraries and coffee shops for example) and you can buy a laptop for almost nothing on craigslist. I bought one for $30 four years ago and still use it. I literally paid nothing for the laptop I'm using this moment because a friend gave it to me. He thought it was "old" and worthless (January 2008).

[kite]

i sleep under a bridge and sneak into starbucks to play tron on their wifi

[Gazelle]

Dont see why people even smoke that shit, It's a gateway drug.. It's no good for you.. Eventually you will just want to try something different, something worse, because you hear it gives you a greater rush etc..

Anyone who smokes that shit is a moron..

Happy 4/20 lol...

More like "Happy enjoy killing yourself day"

[Titanoboa]