"Holes"
"Holes"
I think I have to bitchslap some of the "elitist" fortress players out there who constantly complain about them.
Holes just require alot more teamplay rom both sides. But since many players are just so l33t and happy about their ability to draw a flawless box they obviously get annoyed when clever players sacrifice one of theirs to break in.
Also holes are a viable defense strategy to recapture a zone.
The whole topic reminds me a bit of the "open" vs "closed" thing. Some guys are trying to enforce a certain way of playing. If you hate it.. set up a server without explosion holes.
Holes just require alot more teamplay rom both sides. But since many players are just so l33t and happy about their ability to draw a flawless box they obviously get annoyed when clever players sacrifice one of theirs to break in.
Also holes are a viable defense strategy to recapture a zone.
The whole topic reminds me a bit of the "open" vs "closed" thing. Some guys are trying to enforce a certain way of playing. If you hate it.. set up a server without explosion holes.
heh, not again
http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopi ... 81&start=0
I think most players with half a brain accept holes as part of the game.
http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopi ... 81&start=0
I think most players with half a brain accept holes as part of the game.
It is ridiculous to complain about holes during tournament play, that is for sure. You play to win by any means necessary in tournaments, and that includes holes.
Now PERSONALLY, I don't create, use, or like when players hole or use holes in regular fortress play for the fun factor. The same goes that I hardly ever go into a sumo circle that is 1v1 for again, the fun factor. I like to wander and see the two players duke it out and see who wins. I think it is almost disrespectful to ruin a sumo between Mazuffer and madmax just by entering the zone, do two double binds, and round is over.
Now PERSONALLY, I don't create, use, or like when players hole or use holes in regular fortress play for the fun factor. The same goes that I hardly ever go into a sumo circle that is 1v1 for again, the fun factor. I like to wander and see the two players duke it out and see who wins. I think it is almost disrespectful to ruin a sumo between Mazuffer and madmax just by entering the zone, do two double binds, and round is over.
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I think this link that recently appeared in the topic for #armagetron (heh) answers the "omg holer!" question just fine:
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070407
(In case anybody's wondering where I got it, it's in the topic for #python)
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070407
(In case anybody's wondering where I got it, it's in the topic for #python)
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If it's 1 vs 3 and the other team holes me, I love it.DDMJ wrote:If it's 3 vs 1 and the other team holes me, I don't like it .
(that's supposed to make it 0 v 3)
The fundamental question seems to me to be "who do you get mad at?" The anti-holers are getting mad at the holers, and the holers are getting mad at their own teams. Who do you think you should be mad at?
Why'd you need to get mad at all?
I pretty much agree with PsYkO, though I sometimes use holes in regular fortress, depends on the situation. But I don't get mad at anyone for holing or not holing, it's their choice.
I pretty much agree with PsYkO, though I sometimes use holes in regular fortress, depends on the situation. But I don't get mad at anyone for holing or not holing, it's their choice.
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In a tournament setting, that is text-book. You shouldn't like it, I don't as a defender like it either, because we lose lol..That's mainly the team's fault for not surviving and leaving you with a 2 man disadvantage. The least they could do is leave you with a 1 man disadvantage so a hole would be silly to do.DDMJ wrote:If it's 3 vs 1 and the other team holes me, I don't like it .
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I hate it when they purposely hole.
I have changed my view on them a bit now.
I may hole if their team made the hole
I also attempt to hole when the holes are hard to get into aka they grind a while and die.
BUT having your own team create a hole just for the win i think is Unfair.
Could there be a setting that one team cannot make holes on another teams wall? I think this would be a rather interesting way to play. because people use the holes in the center of the grid. is that not that breaking through part of defense too?
Then again all holes are up for debate and there are always 2 or more views on a situation. all this opens up for is debate and a 5 page long topic of peoples views and ideas on a topic
Just thought i would post my updated view on it
I have changed my view on them a bit now.
I may hole if their team made the hole
I also attempt to hole when the holes are hard to get into aka they grind a while and die.
BUT having your own team create a hole just for the win i think is Unfair.
Could there be a setting that one team cannot make holes on another teams wall? I think this would be a rather interesting way to play. because people use the holes in the center of the grid. is that not that breaking through part of defense too?
Then again all holes are up for debate and there are always 2 or more views on a situation. all this opens up for is debate and a 5 page long topic of peoples views and ideas on a topic
Just thought i would post my updated view on it
Taking away holes would be like taking away your left turn key, your taking away a huge aspect of the game. I could see maybe making them a little bit smaller, but for the most part holing is just part of the game now. I don't see why it needs a big discussion, they are there get used to it. use them if you want or don't. "Those that don't use holes lose" - (someones instant from ingame, i think like hoax or one of the X guys)