Education! (Split from Drawing Game)

[Lucifer]

Well he doesn't have a joke that doesn't refer to r**e of some kind, as far as iv'e seen. (Just to make things clear, I despise this guy!)
The "defibrillator" part was *If you think I'm bad then make sure you have one handy cuz he'll make you go into cardiac arrest!*.

Godwin's Law coming....

I'm going to dub this the Jeffrey Daumer Defense. You know, "You think I was bad, but you should've been in Germany in 1944!"

[ConVicT]

I get your point as in you could say that about anything really but if you actually read all of what I said, then you'd realise that none of it was bad at all! this thread got worse with the more people replying without reading it all, Fact!
If you think that isn't "fact" then go over it yourself and realise, that I'm not just being a ranting idiot, just so happens that i had to repeat myself in so many different ways (a lot were euphemisms).
"Word" said that i saw people agreeing with others as boot licking.
I never said that, so dunno where he pulled that from.
Anyway he was right, even although i never said it.
I see a lot of people adding their say here, and they definitely didn't read it all, but just agree with the mods.
I'd just like to say *Just because you're a mod here, doesn't automatically make you right, and if someone just reads what you say against someone else's view, for just that fact, then they are just small minded*,
they don't think for themselves, and try their hardest to get in with the crowd.

[Lucifer]

Iv'e heard a multitude of s**t from people in games, never bothers me though, just give as good as i get.
My point was anyway that it's not as if you posted "Ok, guys, just came up with a great word that you could say in arma for when you totally pwn someone... 'R***ed', don't you think it's great?"
Merely pointed out that it's ok in games, nobody cares in games, and that you couldn't get away with that in the real world!

I would even go as far as to say that the players in games who say this sort of stuff are the most liked and popular players in most cases, so obviously they are not looked down upon, rather they are looked up at and imitated, tbh.

Just to clarify, i'm not saying it's genius, it's stupid and inconsiderate but each to their own i guess.

Emphasis mine. How is that, which is directly from your post, in any way NOT defending rape culture in online games?

[ppotter]

Not just kids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiehceTvRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsNvbpSMujg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1gdUWWFws

freedom vs responsibility
ignorance vs arrogance

as usual the winners are the ones not posting

Yeah reading this thread reminded me of Pardew, and this this also.

[ConVicT]

Not that it's OK in games, but rather accepted to the point where no one would start a vote kick "in this game particularly".

Today i was in a server and someone came in called "Rapey"
Y'all wanna know what happened to him?

Rapey's welcome:
Player: Hi
Player: Hey Rapey
Player: /team Rapey wpuld you mind deffing?
Player:Rapey stop tk-ing
Player:Rapey grind center

Then a vote kick was submitted, this is the kind of thing that proves my point.
He was only kicked for tk-ing and not his name.

[Word]

Word said that i saw people agreeing with others as boot licking.
I never said that, so dunno where he pulled that from.

From the wedding bells remark, and the "I think you should all..." reaffirmed that.

I see a lot of people adding their say here, and they definitely didn't read it all, but just agree with the mods.

No, you just don't seem to get why you're criticized here. One could go through your posts and make a long list of the nonsense you posted, but you're so wrapped up in your views and the belief that you're right and the others are wrong that it's a useless task. I'll just give you two examples: You (and Light) have said that you don't condemn the use of the word "rape" (pages 2 and 3), because there's lots of worse stuff on the internet. Do you really think that kind of logic can be applied? Also, the notion that the internet doesn't affect 'real' life at all and that you're really a good guy who occasionally uses the internet to spread all the garbage you normally wouldn't say, but think.

[Light]

You (and Light) have said that you don't condemn the use of the word "rape" (pages 2 and 3), because there's lots of worse stuff on the internet.

Actually, I never said that. I don't care for it being used at all like that, but I don't deny that fact that it's generally accepted in gaming. This is a very small community and doesn't have a whole lot of it, yet it does still exist here. You don't get away with as much here, as there's a different kind of players, or at least when it comes to the people who host the servers.

If you go into most popular games, it's completely normal. Go play CoD for a while, and I'm sure you'll hear a lot worse than "rape" being used, and nobody will care. In fact, they usually laugh and go along with it. It's not just because they stand it to avoid a disagreement, but they have no problems doing it themselves most of the time.

I'm not saying that everyone is like that though. I know there are people that are against it, and some that may even speak up. But, just because there's a few people here that are against it, doesn't mean that the majority of gamers are. This game doesn't get the variety of people like more popular games.

And that's all I was saying before. I never said I was for it, even though that's how you guys felt like running with it. I was simply saying that these things are generally accepted.

What I can't understand, is why rape would be the worst to you guys. Is talking of murder not as bad as talking about rape? The game condones murder, as does many others. And just like the people that say they "raped someone", when they murder / slaughter / kill / etc. someone, they're not actually talking about going and doing it, and they're not supporting the actual action.

[ConVicT]

And just like the people that say they "raped someone", when they murder / slaughter / kill / etc. someone, they're not actually talking about going and doing it, and they're not supporting the actual action.

I said this a few times, for some reason they chose to ignore it.... weird that!

[Word]

If you go into most popular games, it's completely normal. Go play CoD for a while, and I'm sure you'll hear a lot worse than "rape" being used, and nobody will care. In fact, they usually laugh and go along with it. It's not just because they stand it to avoid a disagreement, but they have no problems doing it themselves most of the time.

We know that. So you think the majority is always right and you have to make stupid jokes if they're accepted?

[Light]

We know that. So you think the majority is always right and you have to make stupid jokes if they're accepted?

Once again ... In case you missed it the first two or three times. I never said it was right, and I don't think it is. Just because I admit that it's mostly accepted as okay, doesn't mean I agree with it.

If you actually want to say I'm wrong, please stay away from the straw man and ad hominem fallacies. They're not helping you.

[Jonathan]

And just like the people that say they "raped someone", when they murder / slaughter / kill / etc. someone, they're not actually talking about going and doing it, and they're not supporting the actual action.

I said this a few times, for some reason they chose to ignore it.... weird that!

Odd, huh?

Right, so, lightheartedness out of the way, here are a few things to read. If you don't read them all in full (and a significant number of the embedded links), thoroughly digest and contemplate their contents (as opposed to knee-jerk reaction), then I suggest you shouldn't bother posting anything else in this thread, especially defending your disgusting attitudes and behavior or that of others.

Rape Culture 101
Why rape jokes are uniquely bad
An earnest letter to guys about the problem with rape jokes; It’s not about being PC
Misogyny, Sexism, And Why RPS Isn’t Shutting Up

[Lucifer]

Ok, let's try it differently. Let's talk about why not speaking up against it when you see it is fundamentally bad.

First, rape culture. I guess the simplest analogy I can draw is death by a thousand mosquitoes. You know, the same analogy used to slow the Borg cube down in The Best of Two Worlds (or whatever that episode was called). Every time a group of people make jokes objectifying women or somehow talking about women like they don't have thoughts or feelings, they promote rape in a very small way. When you add all those little jokes up, you get instances where a college football player can rape a girl who's passed out drunk at a party, and when the accusations fly, the little town they're all in gets up in arms because the football player is about to have his career crushed.

This online gaming culture you speak of is a big part of it. So when it happens here, some of us might take it a bit personally, since HERE is within our personal spheres of influence.

Y'all that have basically said "It happens here and I don't condone it but I don't speak up" are being called out for not speaking up when you had the chance. And you're answering with whining because those of us who DO speak up about it are speaking up about it.

To continue the mosquito analogy, how many rape culture mosquitoes have you killed today?

Ifyou have any more "questions", read the shit Phyto linked.

[Light]

I actually do stop it when I can. I don't allow it to be done in my servers, and in a few others where I have admin, they usually get a warning. I mute or kick depending on their attitude, but this doesn't really solve the problem. Even if we were to ban from the whole game, which we can't because it's server-based, it would only solve the problem in this little, closed off community. It might be kind'a nice, but you would have to ignore that it's still going on everywhere else.

And, if you would think I don't do anything to stop it because of the server name brought up earlier - I wasn't aware of it at the time, and even if I was, it's not anything offensive enough to do anything. If I had complaints at the time, maybe I would have asked them to change it, but nobody brought it up while something could actually be done, but waited until it's been gone for months.

It also doesn't help that so many fake rape / other sexual assault reports are made. They all pretty much make it seem less serious to people. There would need to be a lot changed before we started to see this disappear. I know, not contributing to it can make you feel good, but it really doesn't do much. Yes, if somehow everyone started doing it, it would do something, but that's unlikely to happen any time soon. So yes, I do look at the little picture, and realize the little contributions we make don't really count for anything.

I also don't see a link between the way it's used in games and the actual action occuring. Just saying the word, or making the word mean something less serious I couldn't imagine doing much of anything. I would like to see some evidence of its contribution. And these aren't rape jokes, in any form. I know it's also joked about, but I'm talking about how people use it when killing eachother in games. It's used in place of something like "slaughtered", which doesn't seem to ever offend anyone, though it is quite a bit more grotesque and descriptive in my opinion.

[Z-Man]

The game condones murder, as does many others.

I have to object. The only reason KILL is used in arma's setting strings is that it is short and to the point. The default in-game texts specifically avoid all murder talk, the graphics are deliberately abstract. The underlying phantasy is programs getting terminated on the grid; I routinely terminate programs in my job and do not think for a second that this should be morally questionable. True, there is the implied notion the programs are somehow sentient, but at the same time, they respawn, and with programs the assumption that their original state can be fully restored is a reasonable one.
And even the vast majority of other games (Hitman: exception. No Russian: exception. GTA:...) does not simulate murder. Killing, yes, but usually of other people who, given the chance, would kill you first. While that is not on the same moral level as pure self defense (whole different argument there), it's not murder.

[Light]

Z-Man, that topic would be huge. We would be getting in to things like advanced AI which has the ability to learn and feel emotion, as we do. They could in Tron. The morality of killing or terminating them is usually looked at differently. Also, murder is a bit blurred in some areas, such as self defense, death penalty, etc. Then, if you would think it's ok to kill in a game, why is it so wrong to rape in a game? How is one harmless, while the other is promoting so much aggression and violence?