World to end May 21st(this Saturday)

[sinewav]

I doubt any of my bi- or homosexual friends would call me homophobe. End of topic, please.

No. If you actually think homosexuality is a sin, you need to get a clue. Sexuality is deeply complex and above all, natural. Homosexuality can be seen in many species, as well as asexuality, and there are even species who change sex over the course of their life.

Here is the fatal flaw in your reasoning and why you are a bigot, if not solely a homophobe by your definition: Like heterosexuals, homosexuals are born with their sexual disposition. Just like you can't "stop" your attraction to the opposite sex, they can't stop their attraction to the similar sex. Nor should they. But according to you (or what you've been brainwashed to believe) is that there is a distinction between homos and heteros. You think that homosexuality is some sort of sexual corruption, like one of your seven deadly sins (Lust). It's not. It's natural. Why should two persons be forbidden to love another, sexually, if that's why their biology has given them?

When you say "all people are sinners, homos and heteros alike" that's just trying to dodge the issue of your bigotry. You failed, and everyone can see it. Shame on you.

Which brings me to my final point.* Believing in God and the bible is the most negative worldview I can think of. All people are inherently bad, the world is full of evil, you can only achieve perfection after you die? Who the fark want's to be a part of that world? Garbage. The monotheist takes an illusionary moral high-ground, and pities those around them. Conceit.

Of course, this is all lost on you. Your bible says you'll be persecuted, so this just reinforces your bad behavior. It's more built-in bible brainwashing, designed to limit your ability to think and make you more sheepish. You love the attention too, because you get your message (of hate) out, and that too reinforces your beliefs. It's viscous cycle, the result of a formula carefully crafted over centuries.

Also, Jesus never said anything original or revolutionary. Buddha said all of it 500 years before Jesus. Eat that.


*I know I said I wouldn't be part of this discussion, but I can't resist bashing ignorant homo-haters, sorry.

[Phytotron]

True as all that may be, this isn't solely about the question of homosexuality. This all started as a response to Titanoboa's prima facie ridiculous and self-righteous assertion that his version of Christianity is the true, correct version; that others who vary from it are gullible, that they obviously haven't read the Bible, comprehensively or with proper understanding; that he doesn't cherry-pick or take anything out of context; and subsequently made various statements that implied the inerrancy and immutability of the Bible.

What he has demonstrated—through his own embarrassing posts—is that all these accusations apply to himself. As I stated, there are as many versions of Christianity as there are people who claim to be Christian. Yes, every single Christian in your congregation and the world at large holds a different interpretation. The version you fell for is no more or less valid than any other, particularly and especially regarding spiritual/supernatural and moral claims. (Archaeological or natural, scientific claims—e.g., Jews having been enslaved by the Egyptians or talking donkeys—are a separate matter). He has also demonstrated and admitted that he, himself has not fully read, and does not fully comprehend, his particular version of the Bible. Oh, but he can do Google searches for tired, circular apologetics to quote that seem to back him up—but don't, really. And he, foremost, has inadequately addressed the matter of inerrancy and immutability, while cherry-picking left and right which quotes and laws should be followed. Yet he continues to evangelise as though he is an authority. "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I really believe it very strongly, so you really should believe it too!"

In your own favored slang: FAIL.


But, I'll take all this back if Titanoboa will consume poison—and survive—in order to prove the legitimacy of his faith to us, as this supposed Jesus said the proselytisers would.

[Kijutsu]

Are you claiming that to be true as well or are you just calling me homophobe for the lols? I doubt any of my bi- or homosexual friends would call me homophobe. End of topic, please.

Yeah, do you also tell your sinner friends that being hetero isn't a sin but being gay is? Do you also tell them their special condition "needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again"? Do you also tell them that even though you don't hate them, it "does not mean that you are to approve of their sin"?

You being blind to your own homophobism and who knows what else, is disturbing to say the least. Keep pretending we're trying to set you up instead of using your own words against you though, sticking your head in the sand is what your kind is particularly good at.

Btw to anyone who thinks there is an afterlife and a god: there isn't. Once you die, you rot in the ground forever and you'll never return to the concious being you once were before. The universe is a coincident, there's no higher power and the sooner you accept this, the sooner you can live the rest of your life happy and aware of your surroundings. You believe in this santa claus bullshit because you're scared of these facts, and you know it.

[Mecca]

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Not believing in Jesus is a sin too. Do you think God created non-believers or do you think people just chose not to believe?.

I asked God about this too. He created them as well. It's OK not to believe in God. God knows that not all humans are going to believe, he created us. We cannot directly see, or hear him; many people aren't going to believe in something that is not tangible. God made us that way and is well aware of that.

[Word]

@sine: Buddha didn't die for our sins, did he?

But, I'll take all this back if Titanoboa will consume poison—and survive—in order to prove the legitimacy of his faith to us, as this supposed Jesus said the proselytisers would.

I know you wouldn't.

You believe in this santa claus bullshit because you're scared of these facts, and you know it.

Not true.

(and i have a very good argument for that which is simply too personal to post).

I remember being taught that "love your neighbour" is always more important than the ten commandments and other precepts. So it doesn't really matter to me whether homosexuality is considered a sin or not. Almost every code of law has parts that would need an update in somebody's eyes.

[Phytotron]

@sine: Buddha didn't die for our sins, did he?

Neither did a certain bearded, Semitic demi-god that was shamelessly purloined, plagiarised even, from preceding demi-gods die for a fictional, at best metaphorical, concept.

[Phytotron]

I remember being taught that "love your neighbour" is always more important than the ten commandments and other precepts. So it doesn't really matter to me whether homosexuality is considered a sin or not. Almost every code of law has parts that would need an update in somebody's eyes.

Says who? Clearly very many Christians would disagree with each of these statements. Guess who's right?

[sinewav]

@sine: Buddha didn't die for our sins, did he?

Neither did a certain bearded, Semitic demi-god that was shamelessly purloined, plagiarised even, from preceding demi-gods die for a fictional, at best metaphorical, concept.

Beat me too it, Phytptron. And while I'm not here to defend or promote a buddha, the point was this: all the wonderful, joyous things that Jesus said were really no revelation, having been said before - and without the need to feel guilty for being human or fear a lake of fire. Here's the thing most monotheists don't see: you can live a healthy, loving, fulfilling life and leave all the God business completely out of the equation. You only think you have "a soul" because someone introduced you to the concept. If you can't imagine life without this soul you are hopelessly uncreative.

[Concord]

sin need not be something you do; sin can be something that happens to you.

[Olive]

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Not believing in Jesus is a sin too. Do you think God created non-believers or do you think people just chose not to believe?


Oh and that being a sin would make me, by your logic vogue/cody/some others here, hate all non-christians.

You can hate someone for what he does, not for what he is.

[syllabear]

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Not believing in Jesus is a sin too. Do you think God created non-believers or do you think people just chose not to believe?


Oh and that being a sin would make me, by your logic vogue/cody/some others here, hate all non-christians.

You can hate someone for what he does, not for what he is.

You can hate for anything; hate has no justification, hence has no reasoning.

[Olive]

You understood me, I hope.

[chrisd]

Btw to anyone who thinks there is an afterlife and a god: there isn't.

This is an unprovable statement. The ultimate nature of reality may well be unknowable. The question why there is something rather than nothing is the most elusive of all. As such stating the non-existence of God is just as much a belief as the existence of Him. Also, what is God? If one says "a guy on a cloud" it seems a bit ridiculous. If one says "the ultimate cause of reality" it seems more reasonable than some of the axioms that mathematicians commonly employ.

Sine has been stating that monotheism is the problem. I don't agree. The problem is people who hold self-deprecative beliefs (e.g., "humans are sinners"). This causes problems without end. It is psychologically unhealthy to self-deprecate. In fact, all the religions that operate in groups have strong human-deprecative tendencies. (Yes even buddhism). Even in the nicer parts of Christianity where people are not regularly considering humans to be sinners, there is a sense that humans are powerless. Hence, still a self-deprecation, even if it is not as vicious as the well-known "humans-are-sinners". As such I would strongly advise against any religion that is practiced in groups. (Be free!!!! Clanfree!!!!!!!) It would seem more or less logical to think that if believing in something positive, e.g., one could decide to believe in kindness or in the greatness of life, it would be even more fun be believe in this by joining a group for the enjoyment of kindness. In fact, it seems that something in human nature makes religion rather vicious when practiced by more than one person.

In case anyone want so read something fun, see "10 Reasons You Should Never Have a Religion": http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2008/0 ... -religion/

[Word]

Even in the nicer parts of Christianity where people are not regularly considering humans to be sinners, there is a sense that humans are powerless.

Ever heard of Christian humility?

[Olive]

Time is relative, the moment u die could last forever.