Fort Cafe Tournament 2

[FoFo]

Against our sweepbox , potter did as everyone , he waited , or try and die

[Gonzap]

This sweepbox must have been pretty good to produce this much self indulgent frustrated moaning

It's not just this sweepbox, it's how fortress is turning into some kind of boring crap that will be played by noobs that only know holing or step defenses. The art of cutting will be lost if we go on this way. This just sucks because all of you are far too scared to face the other team without any sickly boring trick.

I'm done anyway. Have fun.

[Mecca]

It's not just this sweepbox, it's how fortress is turning into some kind of boring crap that will be played by noobs that only know holing or step defenses. The art of cutting will be lost if we go on this way. This just sucks because all of you are far too scared to face the other team without any sickly boring trick.

I'm done anyway. Have fun.

Welcome to online games.

People will find ways to counter popular strategies, and they will exploit it until something new comes along. Find a way to counter holing.

[INW]

It's not just this sweepbox, it's how fortress is turning into some kind of boring crap that will be played by noobs that only know holing or step defenses. The art of cutting will be lost if we go on this way. This just sucks because all of you are far too scared to face the other team without any sickly boring trick.

I'm done anyway. Have fun.

Welcome to online games.

People will find ways to counter popular strategies, and they will exploit it until something new comes along. Find a way to counter holing.

Or rather, find a way to counter the sweep-box that is made to counter holing.

[Mecca]

Or rather, find a way to counter the sweep-box that is made to counter holing.

+1

[Kijutsu]

I love how Gonzap acts like CT doesn't hole.

Anyway, if you prevent the other team from holing and kill off the sweepers then you have an opportunity to try and cut their defense, it's not like 2v1 or 1v1 etc situations are rare in the ladle.

[Gonzap]

sorry, did i ever mention holing?

Read the whole thing before coming here and trying to provoke me, and if you did read it all, learn to read.

Also i remember saying something like, "fight fire with fire" may I explain you it's meaning?

[Kijutsu]

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[Slov]

wtf is going on with the forum haha

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[FoFo]

the thing is , sweep box is the counter tactic to use against holes. So if there is hole tactics , its normal to have counter hole tactic , this is the sweepbox . and anyways , you can just play safe , stay alive until the sweep box is avoided then you normal atk , its just makes rounds longer , the point is the same lol.

[Kijutsu]

There was a discussion similar to this when SP kept winning ladles with the help of insa's step def + delta's (bad) holing. I'll ask the same thing I did then, do you want the other team to make it easy for you?

Like FoFo said, sweepbox is something you use when the other team is succesfully holing you. Step def is used against teams/people who are really good at cutting. Essentially you're saying that you want holes and step defences to go away so you have an easier time getting in the defence, sounds stupid to me tbh.

The ladle is naturally changing into something new and it won't go back to how it was without any settings being changed, so you better get used to it and any future changes.

[Gonzap]

not easier to me, easier to everybody, I want to actually STAND A CHANCE of making a good cut. I want to STAND A CHANCE to kill sweepers.

It's not about making it easier, it's about making it funnier.

[INW]

not easier to me, easier to everybody, I want to actually STAND A CHANCE of making a good cut. I want to STAND A CHANCE to kill sweepers.

It's not about making it easier, it's about making it funnier.

The point in defending is to not give the attackers a chance to cut them.

And by funnier, do you mean funner?

[Titanoboa]

As for fighting fire with fire, would be beating holes by holing better. The sweepbox to fight fire with water. (And of course Charizard is gonna be mad when Blastoise hydro pumps his ass)

As for the cutting issue, I've been loving the awesome defs you face in ladles, and I've always made a few cuts and a few failed attacks, even (or especially) on insa's step defence. And I've actively stopped sweepboxes quite a few times from the center (as well as cut two of them in a war but that's not worth it in a ladle ) The rounds you fail to stop them from setting up you just have to make sure you help your defence beat their attackers. No big deal, just forces you to win in a different, less convenient way.
But, zap, since you're a hundred times better than me at attacking, it must've been something other than skills at the works here. Either lag or luck, right? Either way, you can't be the one to blame.

If messi's enemies found a way to take the ball from him more often, do you think he would appreciate the challenge & try to surpass them or whine about it & quit playing football altogether?

[Gonzap]

Good u've bring up the football metaphor, because there are 2 ways of playing football. Mourinho's style (defensive, boring) and pep's or barça's style (attacking, funny and interesting to watch). It's the same thing here. We have a defensive way, that most of the time works, and an attacking way that is better for the players and spectators enjoyment, but has it's risks. I don't really care if you managed to cut insa, it's still a boring way of defending, and same happens when you attack it, you are 100% sure the defender will do nothing to kill you. About "breaking" the sweebox, it seems the only way is killing their center, why give the center so much of a main role? it has to be the center and only the center that can prevent a long waiting till the sweepbox fall apart. It's just so sickly boring i don't know how you don't realize. And you, my friend, are part of the newest fort school. You don't really know how it was before, and believe me, it was waaaay better. Tactics tactics tactis, come on, grow some skills and kick some asses, stop focusing on finding the best tactic to bore your opponent to death.


Nope, messi would not stop playing, but i'm not Messi right?