Ladle 87

[Vogue]

If anything, this situation has showed me how hypocritical and self-righteous tronners are. From the teams who let me play with them, almost all of them voted to have me banned. They're(you're) as morally compromised as I am, yet I'm the only one admitting it.

One example of this is that Gazelle and me had this whole plan of me playing ladle under an alias(for SDP). He also suggested I use Drag's name because they could manipulate him into agreeing to that. I even told him one morning that we should call it off because people would find out anyway, and he told me "NO! we can still do it!". In the end, he removed me before ladle because he spoke with Soul and they were all paranoid because they thought I was gonna frame him and get all of SDP banned.

Of course he'll deny this or he'll try to justify it, truth is he's far from the only one who would let me play.

[Z-Man]

Either get out with the full verifiable truth, or quit making broad statements. Especially things like this:

From the teams who let me play with them, almost all of them voted to have me banned.

Either you are making this up to spread mistrust among those who voted for your ban, or, well, it's true. Unless proven otherwise, I assume you are making it up (principle of smallest number of miscreants), and I do not want to tolerate this any more.

[theo]

+1 theo's fr3
I think this is one of the consistently better servers

Might be it's last ladle though. Once my new server will be set up, I'll trash fr2 and fr3.

aside from one ladle where it just went kaput.

Which is weird from a statistical point of view. I remember you switched to FR3 because another server (don't remember which one, I think it was a CT server) crashed twice. And then this one crashed once.

As far as I know we didn't have any other crash since that ladle (I mean in the following ladles. Did it keep crashing during brawls?).

[blondie]

lol @people@vogue
4 life

[F0RC3]

How do we know that liz isn't just lying by saying she played on a team? She very well might not have played. Has anyone tried verifying whether or not she played?

At this point I would say she didn't play, if she play she would have told us which team she played for to try and shame them just like she just tried to shame gazelle.

[Gazelle]

Liz, you as you always do try to throw someone else under the bus with you, when technically all we did is discuss this and you never even played, I would appreciate it if you just left me and my clan (for future reference) out of your drama, I am done with it, and really have no desire to be a part of it any longer. Thanks.

[Soul]

"liz is as dry as a raisin" -cyanerd420

this quote is the key to this whole puzzle. you see, in order for liz to get off, she must play ladle. otherwise she will make like the wicked witch of the west and sizzle.

[Overrated]

Liz, you as you always do try to throw someone else under the bus with you, when technically all we did is discuss this and you never even played, I would appreciate it if you just left me and my clan (for future reference) out of your drama, I am done with it, and really have no desire to be a part of it any longer. Thanks.

It really bothers me that this was even discussed. The thought of having her play for your team, knowingly, at all is very unappealing and at least in my opinion a disappointment.

If we want to take this seriously, then we need to punish the people letting her play. Will it lower our overall player count? Probably, but it's also something that should be stood up for.

Do we have any proof Liz even played?

[takburger]

Liz, you as you always do try to throw someone else under the bus with you, when technically all we did is discuss this and you never even played, I would appreciate it if you just left me and my clan (for future reference) out of your drama, I am done with it, and really have no desire to be a part of it any longer. Thanks.

It really bothers me that this was even discussed. The thought of having her play for your team, knowingly, at all is very unappealing and at least in my opinion a disappointment.

If we want to take this seriously, then we need to punish the people letting her play. Will it lower our overall player count? Probably, but it's also something that should be stood up for.

Do we have any proof Liz even played?

It did not happen. Why do I say that ?

Knowing a little bit that troll, I can bet that if she played, she would have not only bragged about it, but would have took a big pleasure of compromising the whole team that allowed her to play. Just because it would have been so much drama and so many of our community (including me) would have been annoyed about that and would not know what to do about that whole clan to punish or not.

Can you imagine how marvelous it would be for Liz to make such a drama ? She would have loved it, but it did not happen.

Seriously, look how Gaz looks like, it is hilarious and would have been so much more if she had played for them and she proved it !!!

[Vogue]

<general blabbering>
Oh, thanks Gazelle for at least admitting it! Now I won't have to go through the trouble of posting screenshots.

[blondie]

lol tak

supposing tak's theory was true, Elizabeth could still reveal who she played for anytime she wanted. This way she would get six pages of you guys debating whether she played or not plus another ten on whether to ban the team, etc.

why eat your cake when you can have two?

[Gazelle]

<general blabbering>
Oh, thanks Gazelle for at least admitting it! Now I won't have to go through the trouble of posting screenshots.

Well it would be foolish to deny that I wasn't being selfish and putting my want to win above the rules of the community, I was, but only for a bit, until I realized that it's not worth it, now that doesn't make it any better and I am not trying to make excuses but you didn't play for my team, now for those who did let her play, we can't do anything about it and that's if she even did play, anyways who cares? I understand some of you still love this game very dearly and want to keep it in check, but for what purpose? There are like 10-12 "active tronners" out there now and the game is extremely boring now because of it. Brawl was at an all time low fielding 2 teams (barely) and you never see anyone on besides ladle day. I feel like a lot of you are wasting your time protecting a community that doesn't really even care.

No the bans should not be removed and should be enforced during ladle as much as possible, but why have these same discussions after ladles with the same people when we there is nothing anyone can do to stop it? It's a waste of your time.

[takburger]

<general blabbering>
Oh, thanks Gazelle for at least admitting it! Now I won't have to go through the trouble of posting screenshots.

Well it would be foolish to deny that I wasn't being selfish and putting my want to win above the rules of the community, I was, but only for a bit, until I realized that it's not worth it, now that doesn't make it any better and I am not trying to make excuses but you didn't play for my team, now for those who did let her play, we can't do anything about it and that's if she even did play, anyways who cares? I understand some of you still love this game very dearly and want to keep it in check, but for what purpose? There are like 10-12 "active tronners" out there now and the game is extremely boring now because of it. Brawl was at an all time low fielding 2 teams (barely) and you never see anyone on besides ladle day. I feel like a lot of you are wasting your time protecting a community that doesn't really even care.

No the bans should not be removed and should be enforced during ladle as much as possible, but why have these same discussions after ladles with the same people when we there is nothing anyone can do to stop it? It's a waste of your time.

Do you really see what you say here ?

It is basically :
1/ I was ready to cheat
2/ But I did not
3/ So punish those who did
4/ Oh and btw, community is dead because of people who do not care

Just go away Gaz, you were ready to cheat, you are the one who don't care yet you are one of those who are the most active on those topics to "save the game". That behavior is so wrong, there is not even an apology. I'm shocked to be the first one to reply on that.

[Vogue]

Well it would be foolish to deny that I wasn't being selfish and putting my want to win above the rules of the community, I was, but only for a bit, until I realized that it's not worth it

until you spoke to Soul and got paranoid I was gonna **** you over somehow, yeah. Also you lied to almost your whole clan about me participating as well. You were gonna get them to break rules without even knowing it, lol.

@smegburger, his name isn't Vogue so no1currr bro. Gaz is one of the many.

[Gazelle]

Actually, most of my clan knew. I just didn't tell you they knew. Yet again, nice try