Fortress & Sumo United (FSU)

[sinewav]

I support strong alliances between teams, formal or informal. The only leverage people have in this game against undesirable behavior is to simply not play with undesirables. If SP, uNk, and whomever decide they only want to play in certain circles or exclude certain people, then that is what should be done. More power to them.

[Pr3]

Well Pr3's answer is so random you may think it's directed to someone else but no, it's directed to you K-Yo. But he hasn't really answered or replied to anything you said or pointed out, he just wanted to spit out what he thought had to be said. Well, these rules are stupid and K-Yo said why in his first post already, if you can't come up with something better then we can drop the committee idea. For example: stand together on things we both agree? Real? Doesn't it happen already? Is it necessary a committee to stand together on things we both agree?

Also, while players being stolen sucks, think about it as you can get rid of people who aren't compromised to your clan. It is bad, disrespectful and low, but oh well, there's always a bright side on problems. I think the tronic gossip is waaay more hurtful and despicable right now. Whoever created it, he/she wants to be evil for the sake of being evil. You gain nothing there but feeling pity for the writers.

I'd just like to add that this was the first draft of rules suggested by SP. This is not the FSU. I appreciate the critique on the rules and I'm sure they will be revised. Maybe you have some suggestions? Simple as this initial outline may be... I did mention that most rules are common sense. uNk & Sp haven't entered into any alliance as of yet.

[Venijn]

So, another idea dies?

Don't say things like this, this idea is awesome, and takes time to implement. This topic was created what, 2 weeks ago? Don't expect this to just form up overnight. If it's thrown together hastily, the idea won't stick.

Just give it time, clan leaders are discussing things, and hopefully eventually this will happen. This is where the ideas get hashed out people.

If a thread has no replies in two weeks, it's a valid question. It also served to bump the thread, which it has done.

As for your other point, as a Clan Leader, I'm not talking to anyone (another reason why I asked.) If this is to work, there shouldn't be picking and choosing who is in, the system should be there for everyone.

I understand that the whole point in posting here was for a community discussion. What was the point in doing that and going behind the scenes shortly after?

[epsy]

I think the tronic gossip is waaay more hurtful and despicable right now. Whoever created it, he/she wants to be evil for the sake of being evil. You gain nothing there but feeling pity for the writers.

Can't live a day without a scapegoat, eh?

[Gonzap]

It's not a scapegoat (no r) it's a priority. It's more dangerous than stealing players, that's what I'm saying.


As for suggesting rules, I'll think about it.

[Word]

It seems mostly focused on clans that used to bitch about one another privately. There's nothing surprising or original to me, I've read most of the accusations there elsewhere already, or even related to other players - years ago. It's all on one site now, and you still don't have to pay attention to it or feed it with 'news'. The gossip itself is completely exchangeable, and concerning the photos, tronners just need to be more careful if they don't want to appear there some day. Add to that that it isn't very difficult to fabricate a screenshot or manipulate an image if you have the right font. People ought to realize that none of the really bad stuff there is credible as long as other tronners don't feel like they have to confirm it/witnessed it while it happened. Nobody needs to give a crap about it.

[woof]

It seems mostly focused on clans that used to bitch about one another privately. There's nothing surprising or original to me, I've read most of the accusations there elsewhere already, or even related to other players - years ago. It's all on one site now, and you still don't have to pay attention to it or feed it with 'news'. The gossip itself is completely exchangeable, and concerning the photos, tronners just need to be more careful if they don't want to appear there some day. Add to that that it isn't very difficult to fabricate a screenshot or manipulate an image if you have the right font. People ought to realize that none of the really bad stuff there is credible as long as other tronners don't feel like they have to confirm it/witnessed it while it happened. Nobody needs to give a crap about it.

+1

[Venijn]

Couldn't have put it better myself Word, it's absolute claptrap!

[Gonzap]

From that point of view you are right Word, oh well, let it be then.

[Pr3]

Spring Break is coming up for me. I will try to get an outline together for this idea, and I'll post it on this forum to be scrutinized. I will review every post here and try to come up with a satisfactory concept. If anyone is willing to help me come up with ideas... feel free to PM me and we can work together on this. It's very likely the community isn't ready to evolve past our current system. However, even if we end up rejecting this idea, I still believe opening up the lines of communication between clans/teams would be an accomplishment in itself.

Some important information:
Current rules for the ladle: http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php/ ... or_players
*Note* These rules govern the setup of the ladle, and do not currently include regulations for sportsmanlike conduct.

Current punishments: http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php/ ... rial_works
Note* Trial by vote: (Some points below)

• PMs to the Team Leaders and server admins of the Ladle in which the incident occured.

• The Ladle enthusiast tallies the votes after 1 week.

• The Ladle enthusiast posts the results. (Should we keep the votes confidential, or should we make them public?**)

**Never finalized?

[Hoax]

Please don't waste any of your break on this
this thread hardly serves as enough of a mandate to warrant such effort
When it comes down to it and recent events have blown over you'll be doing most of it alone

[Ratchet]

First, before I begin, I have not read every single reply to this topic. I've only skimmed pages 1,2, & 6.

However, I can only think of the blatant errors with trying to do something like this.
Trying to get a "Representative" from each clan/team would be hard enough in itself due to the fact that many fortress teams/players only come together for the Ladle. Most people are free-lance players and don't want to belong to "Clans".

Another issue, who's to say a clan HAS to have a representative? What if, per se, Revolver doesn't want to have a "representative" for this system? What's going to happen? They're going to be disallowed to play in the ladle? That's sure to have a positive impact on Fortress.
Same for new and coming clans that don't want to abide by some ridiculous rules and want to recruit any free agent, no matter how destructive their reputation is.

There truly just seems to be too many things that could go wrong with the system.

Many people have a problem with Liz. Let's say Liz was still the leader of MyM and this system was implemented today. She'd be the representative of MYM, ideally. What if other "representatives" hate Liz? Doesn't it promote bias and separation from the "united" idea?

What if Liz gets kicked out of a clan for being a complete bxtch, and is "banned from recruitment" because the "representatives" have decided such, and some new clan is like "fxck that she's good we are recruiting her".

Like, ya see what I mean? I think the community needs more focus on advertising to the non-fort world rather than trying to take the current fort world and put it in a box and fix the problems with it. IMO.

[Vogue]

what if liz says ratchet is a douchebag what if

anyways, pr3 and kyo both have a point. kyo is right to say that everyone's free to do as they please in this game, and you have to look at the situation when you look at clanhopping. if someone's not happy in a team, who are you to say they can't join a diff one? when it's a malicious act (such as akizo applying to mym, soul/brok3n telling him we suck and he should apply for rd, only to get kicked afterwards) then yeah.. you could as an alliance decide to shun that team. but that's all we can do, really, no?

a system doesn't always work anyway, look at LoL, shittiest community ever

[woof]

when it's a malicious act (such as akizo applying to mym, soul/brok3n telling him we suck and he should apply for rd, only to get kicked afterwards) then yeah.. you could as an alliance decide to shun that team. but that's all we can do, really, no?

So you'd shun that team purely based on what two players did? I suppose that means uNk should be shunned now after your faking of Judders and creation of Tronic Gossip then..right?

[Titanoboa]

uNk had it coming, it's only fair