I don't remember SP ever existing
in Armagetron (existence in another game is irrelevant) until after MBC had been around for some time. I also thought I had put "late 2005 at the earliest" in my post but guess I edited it out; late 2005 I can accept. That's still my recollection.
I
can say with certainty that the SP
server came well after MBC's had been around awhile—as I recall, Microbushitty was really the only server of its type at the time—and SP's was a veritable clone. That's probably the source of my mixing it up as an offshoot, since the server, if not necessarily the clan, certainly was. So even if the SP clan existed outside Armagetron before or concurrent with the MBC clan, the server and their presence in the game definitely did not. The two servers did exist concurrently for a good while thereafter.
And yes,
this post sinewav linked to is instructive. Notice there I used the word "join" rather than "formed." Misremembered. Oh dear. Not nearly as off as saying "it was the first evar and has been around since the beginning!"
And yes, I still contend that those types of servers—high rubber especially, but also, later, fotress and stuff—as well as clans have been damaging to Armagetron. That's my opinion; whether one agrees or disagrees has nothing to do with factual "credibility."
sinewav wrote:Everything I've read about the earliest clans in Arma (Sp, MBC, XzL) are really just the same trouble-makers under different names.
Little nits to pick.
First, like I said, those weren't actually the earliest clans, although, like I also said, MBC was probably the first that wasn't short-lived, and the first really sizable one. Second, I wouldn't include MBC with the trouble-makers. MBC had a high percentage (majority?) of adults, several middle-aged, and were actually more a bunch of goodie-goodie pollyannas, heh (though somewhat hypocritically so; e.g., saying "shit" after you crashed was ban-worthy, but saying "that was gay" was acceptable). In fact, SNERTS like Psyko (or however he spells it) and company weren't welcome in MBC, which I think is at least part of why those clans and their servers were established; they were MBC's outcast ugly stepchildren, heh.
You're right, though, SP and XZL et al were notorious troublemakers at the time. When I came back to Arma in 2009, Akira tried to tell me some of them had changed and grown up, even Psyko (or however he spells it), Nightmare, and Oblivion, whom I had recalled as some of the worst offenders. Still not sure I buy it, but they may not be quite as bad as they were back then, comparatively speaking—rather low bar to set there, though.
By the way, this claim: "Most people posting on here are in clans, thus a higher percentage of any sort of demographic would be mainly in clans." Perhaps, but that certainly was not the case on this forum during the time period myself and sinewav were referring to. Clanboys were nearly nonexistent on this forum, just an occasional nuisance. Lucifer and any other older member can verify that. Indeed, that was true in the game overall as well; clans and their membership were a laughable nuisance minority, and usually contained a high concentration, disproportionately, of trouble-making, obnoxious jerks.
There are only more of you on this forum now because of that dang competitions section, since, as I said earlier, a clan is a built-in team. Again, you're a plague! And tournaments are the transmission vector. Get it?
One other thing, ins: What's with all your terminology? "Another hole in your conspiracy theory." What conspiracy theory? "Your charade is up." What charade? "You pretend to be an encyclopedia of all things clan related." I do? I don't even approach being as such, and wouldn't want to be. And don't you understand the phrase 'if I recall correctly?' "Clanless people can be trolls." What about anything I posted qualifies as trolling? Just because it's a disagreement or something upset you? You kiddies wildly overuse that term.
And overall, why are you being so damned reactionary? See, this is just one of yet another example of why clans are messed up. Poor imitations of petty street gangs, acting like I intruded on your turf or insulted your honor.
Gonzap wrote:Is somebody interested in writing a tron history? or at least, a list of the most important events in armagetron since its creation?
Armagetron was fun. Then high rubber and clans, and later, gimmicky game modes took over and it went to crap.
Of course, that's the biased history.
Have you ever read the oldest posts on this forum? Take some time sometime; they can give you a little archeological insight. I read all that old stuff before I ever registered here.
