A Change in Strategy // Fortress Premier League

[Flex]

tell me what you think: http://fortresspremierleague.pbworks.com/

its essentially a wiki, it is a wiki, but it allows you to edit and format like a word processor rather than in wiki language.

I think our wiki has worked just fine for us, so far. I would suggest sticking to it, unless you actually have something that has been done by hand and programmed to suit our specific needs. I just feel we're making things complicated by adding new sites and registrations, when it's not actually providing us any real difference, apart from making it easier to edit? At least with our current wiki, we have full access to it and can control it if we need to. Not to mention everyone is mostly registered there.

I think our only problem was/is making the code complicated than what was necessary. Maybe we can try and focus a bit on making sure it's as simple as it can be.

Try it yourself on our wiki now and you'll get the same exact results that you have now:

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'''[[Speeders|SP]]'''
# PsYkO (PsYkO@forums)
# Flex (Flex@forums)
# Delta
# Oblivion
# Insanity
# Omega
# Demon
# Sasha
# cyclo
# prestige
# envy
# Distort

Here's an example;
http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Sandbox

[Hoax]

When does this start?
The whole concept of the league looks like it's still in development so i'm not sure I condone advertising signups right now. Ultimately teams don't have to sign up right away but if it was promoted as a finished product it might attract more attention.

Anyway I took a look at the rules:

-Each month each team is responsible for completing their matches.

What if nothing has been arranged due to no fault of your own due to uneven number of teams, no cooperation from any other teams etc. Does your team still get penalised?

-A match is won by the team with more points after 20 minutes. A won match earns the victor 3 points in the league standings. The loser neither gains nor loses points.

A draw is unlikely but should still be accounted for

-Should a conflict regarding the league of any type arise that cannot be resolved by the regular means, the team captains will vote on the issue. The captains collectively have the ability to suspend, unsuspend, disqualify or reinstate a given player or team, to add or subtract points to the league standings.

This should be done by a separate body as ultimately in a compeitive league, captains could make decisions based on their own personal gain.
Trying to think of ladle comparisons here but I don't recall there ever being a post event discussion about changing the results due to whatever issue.
Basically would the team captains be trusted to make the right decision?

-3. Playoffs

* The top 6 teams at the seasons conclusion will enter a playoff in to determine a league champion.
* The playoff will consist of an opening round of 4 teams.
* The top 2 teams have a first round bye
* A second round is then played, determining 2 finalists
* The Finale is 10 min in United States server and 10 min in European Server

So another AFL? (I brielfly scanned this topic and saw some mentions of the afl so maybe this has been picked up on already)

What's the point in playing all these matches over the course of several months that ultimately are to decide seedings for what will be a 6 team 7v7 10min one day single elimination tourney..
A league is a league. You play every opponent (how ever many times equally) and the winner is the team with the most points. It's not seeding for what is basically a cut down ladle.

I like the idea of a league, with the right flexibility it could be good for fortress. It would reward consistency and always be there to play.
As it's proposed now though I think I'd rather just play the ladle only.



As for wiki vs external site I can understand using another site would differentiate but it might put strain on the organiser. Just ask durka about running the afl. Which also leades me to another point of why isn't the afl still going? Definitely because it's too much work for the one person who has to organise it all and perhaps secondly because of it's format.
TST moved to the wiki and it seems to be going smoothly, although being rebranded slightly or whatever. Lalde has always been wiki managed and it's still going. I guess i'm definitly pro wiki tourney management after thinking about it, as it seems to work best.

[sinewav]

Great points. I'm really looking forward to the FPL. Let's try to work out the bugs here. Oh, and I think it's pretty much impossible to have a draw in Arma, am I right? Isn't that why we have "extra round, next point wins"?

[Hoax]

Oh, and I think it's pretty much impossible to have a draw in Arma, am I right? Isn't that why we have "extra round, next point wins"?

I presumed it just ended when the time was up, regardless of where in the match it is.

[Concord]

-Each month each team is responsible for completing their matches.

What if nothing has been arranged due to no fault of your own due to uneven number of teams, no cooperation from any other teams etc. Does your team still get penalised?

I understand the all your concerns/questions/comments and to a couple I don't have an answer. This one I do Each month you are assigned two or three opponents by the league. You must at some time that month play those matches.

It is a wiki, it holds revisions, anyone is welcome to create, edit, suggest, comment, delete, as long as they are being constructive.

[pike]

What's the point in playing all these matches over the course of several months that ultimately are to decide seedings for what will be a 6 team 7v7 10min one day single elimination tourney..
A league is a league. You play every opponent (how ever many times equally) and the winner is the team with the most points. It's not seeding for what is basically a cut down ladle.

I like the idea of a league, with the right flexibility it could be good for fortress. It would reward consistency and always be there to play.

Good point here.
Playoffs generally suck (in real life sports too), because even if you finish on 5th or 6th place, you can still be a champion. That means some teams may not even bother to play some of their matches, because at the end of the day it's mini-ladle that gives you a win.

[Concord]

yeah, I think thats a very good point, I've changed it now so that its a 3 team round-robin with a finale.

[Hoax]

I still don't think I agree with that though; the winner of the league should be the team with the most points at the end. Even if they won by just 1 point.
It's like you need there to be something at the end so there can be a 'finale'.
Why not have a single elimination knockout that runs during..like with most leagues; then at the end of the 'season' have the winners of both play eachother.

More teams just entered it would be cool if people could give input even if its just that everything looks good. Because a league will be ongoing I would hate to see people complain about stuff after it's started because they just blindly signed up..

[Concord]

Heres why there is a playoff at all: If team A goes 10-1 and finishes first, but loses to team B who goes 9-2, does team A deserve win, even though they were beat by a legitimate contender in head-to-head?

[pike]

Heres why there is a playoff at all: If team A goes 10-1 and finishes first, but loses to team B who goes 9-2, does team A deserve win, even though they were beat by a legitimate contender in head-to-head?

Yes, they deserve it, because that's how league works. It makes every match important, not only head-to-head games between best teams.

We can always play League Cup after/during the season

[Word]

what about prizes btw? awards?

Hall of Fame tropheys?

[sinewav]

We can always play League Cup after/during the season

I'm kind of diggin' that idea. I don't really see a need for a Ladle-type league finish, even though it would be cool and fun.

[Concord]

ok, you convinced me, I was going to put it to a vote, but it seems everyone participating in the discussion agrees (now anyway)

[Concord]

servers are still are issue,

[compguygene]

In regards to servers, I can donate one from Texas, one from New York, and one from the UK.