Ladle 44

[owned]

OK, so unless Oreo = Walle, then LoT have had too many changes.

They had two changes. Taking a player off of a team does not count as a change.

Walle was added, and Phantom was added. Am I missing anything?

[Overrated]

Switching one player is the same as making two actions. You're losing one and then adding another, but anyway...

I was talking to Oreo last night, and he forgot to tell LOT to remove him from Team Leader/the team in general. He had left LOT and was still on there, but didn't know it. So, I don't know how to classify that, but this is just a heads up as far as discussing that goes.

[owned]

Did you even read my post?

I specifically said "Taking a player off does not count as a change."

I say that, because in the rules, it doesn't say that taking off a player counts as a change:

After the brackets have been set a Team Leader may change a maximum of two players per team. Only two players per team can be added or switched. A combination of one added and one switched is acceptable, as long as the total number of changes does not exceed two.

In fact, this situation is actually one that the rules specifically state as ok. The rules say "one added and one switched is acceptable." What happened here is Oreo was switched with Walle and Phantom was added.

[sinewav]

Thanks for notifying them Word.

And owned is correct on the rule.

Everything is good. No problems here.

Glad to see everyone is paying attention though.

[þsy]

Okay, bye 1 (Lot) isn't responding, bye 2 (team.uNK) has declined, bye 3 (CTz) is currently polling whether to play us or not.

So, if that doesn't work out, we're looking at bye 4 (DS) or bye 5 (uNa). Please let me know if you're happy to play us Spook! I don't know what my chances of reaching uNa are, so it could go to ID (bye 6) or SA (bye 7).

Come on guys, man up and take us on! We ain't that tough (or are we...)

Isn't this fun!

[Convict.LoT.]

wait wait 1 sec i added walle on tuesday and oreo left LoT so i replaced him with Phantom is that ok but walle been there i promise oreo just a little swap because he left LoT im sry for the confusen

[Overrated]

Did you even read my post?

I specifically said "Taking a player off does not count as a change."

I say that, because in the rules, it doesn't say that taking off a player counts as a change:

After the brackets have been set a Team Leader may change a maximum of two players per team. Only two players per team can be added or switched. A combination of one added and one switched is acceptable, as long as the total number of changes does not exceed two.

In fact, this situation is actually one that the rules specifically state as ok. The rules say "one added and one switched is acceptable." What happened here is Oreo was switched with Walle and Phantom was added.

Maybe I read the rule wrong or maybe we have it interpreted differently. When I hear "switched," it makes me think of just a few ladles ago when ID had temporarily switched two players each from their two ladle teams. I'm not saying LOT did that, but I'm saying how I see it.

Also, the rule, number of "changes" does not exceed two, is false (in my eyes). That's where I get this really confused. Think of it this way. A switch is an action of two changes, not one change. You're removing one player (first change from roster) and adding another (second change from roster). If I remember correctly, this was also agreed upon in that same ladle with the mini-ID fiasco thing, that only one player could be switched.

Anyway, just going to bring that up because in my eyes the rule is a tad loophole-ish. Sorry.

[Mkay1]

Whats up with the number of changes after the brackets were up, whats the policy on these:

-A_Nub added to open team
-Coco added to open team
-Raph added to TX
-Mkay (re)added to unk
-Oreo (a captain) removed from LoT and replaced with Walle
-Phantom added (as a captain) to LoT

I'm not complaining, I'm simply unclear on whether these are allowed or not

I was put on the challenge board although I could not play. I removed my name. I then realized that would account for a switch, so I re-added. If I had removed myself before cutoff, then you can remove me again..

[apparition]

Man, all these rules and confusion... Mkay-1 you're banned from Ladle until uNk wins one without you!

By the way, has SP heard from uNk (or LoT) yet?

[Overrated]

By the way, has SP heard from uNk (or LoT) yet?

uNk had said no (not on forums), and that they weren't going to have enough people on at the time of an opening round to play with their full team (Team.uNk team leader(s) reinforce this?).

And LOT had made a comment, but didn't answer that current problem.

[Mkay1]

Man, all these rules and confusion... Mkay-1 you're banned from Ladle until uNk wins one without you!

By the way, has SP heard from uNk (or LoT) yet?

Aw. First we have to ban all other teams, to ensure our victory.

[sinewav]

That's where I get this really confused... Anyway, just going to bring that up because in my eyes the rule is a tad loophole-ish. Sorry.

Luckily it's only your eyes that see a loophole.

Think of it as a SPST switch:

Code: Select all

          Player 1
Player 2 __ \__

Instead of an SPDT swtich:

Code: Select all

Player 1 __
            \___ Off
Player 2 __

We're worried about the number of players, not the null value left in their absence.

[Overrated]

I'm just saying how I see it, and how I feel about it. I really don't care whether or not LOT uses it the way they are. I know there is no malicious intent, although there is a way it could be used for that reason. No one would use it that way, however.

[þsy]

wait wait 1 sec i added walle on tuesday and oreo left LoT so i replaced him with Phantom is that ok but walle been there i promise oreo just a little swap because he left LoT im sry for the confusen

Ahhh! Please turn your attention to earlier in the thread (or reply to my PM!).

We're waiting on Lot, CT or possibly DS at the moment, unk have declined (thank you for getting back to me so fast!). CT and DS know the situation I believe, so I'm hoping they'll get back to me (PM on here is best) when they'e come to their decisions

[sinewav]

I'm just saying how I see it, and how I feel about it.

Here, I tried to make it more clear:

After the brackets have been set a Team Leader may add or replace a maximum of two players per team. A combination of one added and one switched is also acceptable. You can remove as many players as you like as long as no more than two unique names are added.

Hopefully that will cause less confusion.